Well, I'm not a fan of the guy. But I was a fan of the occasional use of the Wildcat with Brad Smith. Giving up a fourth round pick to have that weapon in your arsenal again seems like a good idea. QB controversy, on the other hand, isn't. Let's see how this plays out.
But it's why you've got to love the Jets--if you do love them at all--the pile of shit factor is always through the roof, as a friend of mine who is a die-hard Jets fan so eloquently put it.
I don't understand how this is good for their developing and somewhat fragile-minded QB. Unless they are very, very, very careful in defining roles, this could be a disaster. Every time Sanchez throws an incomplete pass, there will be a faction screaming for Tebow.
I like Tebow as a Brad Smith who can break tackles and throw a decent deep ball (but can't return kicks for TDs). The Jets may also be looking for a defensible way to dump Sanchez if he continues to falter. Tebow may not be a great option in that plan, but crazier things have worked out.
[8] I didn't put any study in on it myself, but that was the word after the playoff game vs. Pittsburgh. The numbers showed that his passing percentages were best going long. Steelers selling out on the run left them vulnerable to all those big plays in that game. A good runner who draws the safeties up will have some shots at passing down the field.
I was always frustrated that the Jets seemed to never let Brad Smith throw much. He could've been even more dangerous. They must have REALLY not trusted him to avoid INTs.
unless you're completely intolerant of Tebow's faith, and the attention it draws I don't see how you can be strongly against the move. It certainly creates a quarterback controversy, and puts more pressure on Sanchez to live up to his salary, but isn't this a make or break year for him with the Jets? The presence of any legitimate backup would create a controversy, and put more heat on Sanchez.
The way I look at it, the Jets can do much worse than having Tebow as a backup.
Anyway, I'm a Giants fan, and I think Tebow is a good guy, and a good story, so what do I know?
[13] The bottom line is that *no one* outside of his fan base really seems to think this guy can succeed long term as a QB in the NFL. Yes, he won a bunch of games last year dramatically, but he's an awful pocket passer and that will catch up to him.
[16] I don't think anybody should see him as anything more than a backup qb at this point.
To expect him to get them past the Pats or other elite AFC teams is unrealistic.
[17] That's the thing - he's not a good backup quarterback if he's not good at what the position requires. Honestly, I think the guy could succeed as a rb/te/wingback type player.
If he's such a bad QB, how was it that he was able to take his team to the second round of the NFL playoffs, given how important a QB is in the NFL? He's not good at what pro QB's traditionally do--drop back and throw--but he is a terrific runner, incredibly tough, and contrary to popular belief, can throw a ball deep. The guy can run a wildcat offense better than most.
One of the big misconceptions of Tebow is that he doesn't have a good arm. That's not true. He has a good arm, but he has bad mechanics. Mechanics can be taught. Arm strength cannot be.
I just don't see how Mark Sanchez has earned some birthright to the Jets' QB position. He hasn't progressed in four years; he's gone backward. If Sanchez wants to keep the position, how about showing an ability to lead an offense?
[13] The problem is, he's not a "legitimate backup" - but a very loud segment of the population will clamor for him as if he was, and in any case he will get an undue amount of attention. It's really the worst of both worlds in the sense that he's not a good QB but Sanchez will feel pressure as though Peyton Manning is standing there.
[19] I agree that he could be a good Swiss Army Knife if they can mold him like that. Like a TE, RB, occasional wildcat QB type thing. Again though, is it worth it? I don't think so. He's not some kind of ultimate weapon, he's nifty at best. Not to mention the Jets have some outstanding needs they have to address.
[22] Sanchez HAS NOT regressed. Maybe he hasn't improved as much as he "should" have, but every year he's gotten better. And last year, the deck was stacked against him to a degree.
[22] Go back and look at how they won some of those games that brought them to their illustrious 8-8 record and 3 way tie for first. Very fluky happenings - e.g. Marion Barber running out of bounds.
I do think he's a pretty fine runner - he did very well in designed running plays especially. I think Hawk is right in [23] - its just not worth it, given what else they need to address.
Look, they gave up very little to get a dynamic, legit backup.
Unless you don't personally like the guy there's no reason to complain.
If Sanchez can't handle the pressure of playing in front of Tebow, what pressure can he handle?
I'm not a football fan, really. But I think the fundamental question isn't whether he is good or not so good, or a legitimate backup or not, etcetera. I think the real question is "does he bring enough value to offset the circus he'll be bringing to town". The Jets seem unstable and dysfunctional enough. Do they really need a ready-made quarterback controversy?
Mike Tannenbaum, the Elgin Baylor of NFL GMs. And a truly awful liar to boot. When Roger Godell finishes punishing everyone associated with the Saints, can he then just punish the Jets for being the Jets? Please??
Woody sez, "Ya know...the Knicks are a story all year good and bad, the Rangers are in first, the Nets are moving to Brooklyn, the Mets are the Mets, the Yankees are the Yankees, and the bloody Giants are World Champs. We had to do something" They grow nuts in the Garden State?
Huh? Is Tebow going to be a TE? RB? I could see dumping Sanchez for free agent Peyton, but not for Tebow plus losing a draft pick.
So stupid.
Well, I'm not a fan of the guy. But I was a fan of the occasional use of the Wildcat with Brad Smith. Giving up a fourth round pick to have that weapon in your arsenal again seems like a good idea. QB controversy, on the other hand, isn't. Let's see how this plays out.
But it's why you've got to love the Jets--if you do love them at all--the pile of shit factor is always through the roof, as a friend of mine who is a die-hard Jets fan so eloquently put it.
Plus, they only gave up a 4th round pick for him.
I don't understand how this is good for their developing and somewhat fragile-minded QB. Unless they are very, very, very careful in defining roles, this could be a disaster. Every time Sanchez throws an incomplete pass, there will be a faction screaming for Tebow.
Tebow in the wildcat could work, and work well, but this is all about Woody Johnson's quest for the back page. Pathetic.
I like Tebow as a Brad Smith who can break tackles and throw a decent deep ball (but can't return kicks for TDs). The Jets may also be looking for a defensible way to dump Sanchez if he continues to falter. Tebow may not be a great option in that plan, but crazier things have worked out.
[7] Tebow can throw a decent deep ball? I don't think Elway thought so.
I need to remember to thank my dad for not raising me as a fan of any of the _-E-T-S teams in the area.
Yeah, and I'm not sure that I'd be ready to give up on Sanchez. This will only be his fourth year. It's not like he's sucked for three years.
[8] I didn't put any study in on it myself, but that was the word after the playoff game vs. Pittsburgh. The numbers showed that his passing percentages were best going long. Steelers selling out on the run left them vulnerable to all those big plays in that game. A good runner who draws the safeties up will have some shots at passing down the field.
I was always frustrated that the Jets seemed to never let Brad Smith throw much. He could've been even more dangerous. They must have REALLY not trusted him to avoid INTs.
unless you're completely intolerant of Tebow's faith, and the attention it draws I don't see how you can be strongly against the move. It certainly creates a quarterback controversy, and puts more pressure on Sanchez to live up to his salary, but isn't this a make or break year for him with the Jets? The presence of any legitimate backup would create a controversy, and put more heat on Sanchez.
The way I look at it, the Jets can do much worse than having Tebow as a backup.
Anyway, I'm a Giants fan, and I think Tebow is a good guy, and a good story, so what do I know?
Have to say I was shocked by this. I don't see, though, how it helps them win a Super Bowl.
this is the most Jets thing ever
[13] The bottom line is that *no one* outside of his fan base really seems to think this guy can succeed long term as a QB in the NFL. Yes, he won a bunch of games last year dramatically, but he's an awful pocket passer and that will catch up to him.
[16] I don't think anybody should see him as anything more than a backup qb at this point.
To expect him to get them past the Pats or other elite AFC teams is unrealistic.
15) Well said.
[17] That's the thing - he's not a good backup quarterback if he's not good at what the position requires. Honestly, I think the guy could succeed as a rb/te/wingback type player.
Not done yet: http://bit.ly/GH85y2
[20] Never a dull minute with the Jets.
If he's such a bad QB, how was it that he was able to take his team to the second round of the NFL playoffs, given how important a QB is in the NFL? He's not good at what pro QB's traditionally do--drop back and throw--but he is a terrific runner, incredibly tough, and contrary to popular belief, can throw a ball deep. The guy can run a wildcat offense better than most.
One of the big misconceptions of Tebow is that he doesn't have a good arm. That's not true. He has a good arm, but he has bad mechanics. Mechanics can be taught. Arm strength cannot be.
I just don't see how Mark Sanchez has earned some birthright to the Jets' QB position. He hasn't progressed in four years; he's gone backward. If Sanchez wants to keep the position, how about showing an ability to lead an offense?
[15] Hahaha
[13] The problem is, he's not a "legitimate backup" - but a very loud segment of the population will clamor for him as if he was, and in any case he will get an undue amount of attention. It's really the worst of both worlds in the sense that he's not a good QB but Sanchez will feel pressure as though Peyton Manning is standing there.
[19] I agree that he could be a good Swiss Army Knife if they can mold him like that. Like a TE, RB, occasional wildcat QB type thing. Again though, is it worth it? I don't think so. He's not some kind of ultimate weapon, he's nifty at best. Not to mention the Jets have some outstanding needs they have to address.
[22] Sanchez HAS NOT regressed. Maybe he hasn't improved as much as he "should" have, but every year he's gotten better. And last year, the deck was stacked against him to a degree.
[22] Go back and look at how they won some of those games that brought them to their illustrious 8-8 record and 3 way tie for first. Very fluky happenings - e.g. Marion Barber running out of bounds.
I do think he's a pretty fine runner - he did very well in designed running plays especially. I think Hawk is right in [23] - its just not worth it, given what else they need to address.
Look, they gave up very little to get a dynamic, legit backup.
Unless you don't personally like the guy there's no reason to complain.
If Sanchez can't handle the pressure of playing in front of Tebow, what pressure can he handle?
I'm not a football fan, really. But I think the fundamental question isn't whether he is good or not so good, or a legitimate backup or not, etcetera. I think the real question is "does he bring enough value to offset the circus he'll be bringing to town". The Jets seem unstable and dysfunctional enough. Do they really need a ready-made quarterback controversy?
[26] Well said.
[25] With the $5+ million, they did not give up very little, if indeed it goes through. It's a joke.
I can't wait to see TT join the community and show his leadership! Maybe he'll joint he Halloween Parade? ;)
The deal is official.
Mike Tannenbaum, the Elgin Baylor of NFL GMs. And a truly awful liar to boot. When Roger Godell finishes punishing everyone associated with the Saints, can he then just punish the Jets for being the Jets? Please??
Jet to the promised land?
Woody sez, "Ya know...the Knicks are a story all year good and bad, the Rangers are in first, the Nets are moving to Brooklyn, the Mets are the Mets, the Yankees are the Yankees, and the bloody Giants are World Champs. We had to do something" They grow nuts in the Garden State?