Yanks get another crack at a “w” tonight. We will be watching and fretting until they turn this around…
…Which they will. Let’s hope they start tonight.
Never mind the wailing, Let’s Go Yan-Kees!
We have Will Weiss back, and Sliced Bread made an appearance last night -- he's mainly lurking, but I'm believe he'd be available to pinch hit. So, we're ready to rock! Who needs A-Rod???
A Rod going Yard tonight.
In the 7th inning of a game they are either winning or losing by 5 runs ... just kidding.
(ducking and running)
 Is that the name of a nightclub? LOL
I haven't been to Atlanta since 97, so there may have been changes. What I do remember about Atlanta was that there were like 10 gals for every guy. Hope that hasn't changed.
A-Rod has a better chance of hitting it off with Kate Hudson than GETTING a hit off Tim Hudson these days. :-)
Interesting: Melky was in the line-up, but he was pulled in favor of Swisher, after "Swisher just met with Girardi and Cashman behind closed doors" (Pete Abe).
I wonder what's going on. If it was Melky they met with, you'd have to suspect (at least) that the Melk Man could be part of a trade. But why meet first with Swish and then insert him into the line-up?
perhaps Swish wasn't 100%, but Melky came up much less than 100%????
 i liked Will's post! it wasn't the media outlets outlined, so i had more interest. always good to see Sliced! now we just need a mighty return from knuckles and we'll be all set!
pete abe's got some good updates. looked like i missed CC in the pen. just couldn't get outta the house early enough. i'll be leaving soon though...
just called. i might make Yanks BP after all...
word press is REALLY slow. prolly just my laptop...
Hah and the Yankees sold Jose Veras to the Indians for "cash considerations".
Who says Brian Cashman can't make deals.
Next up is selling the Brooklyn Bridge.
What would the Yanks be able to bring back in a trade for Melky?
Who wants/needs Melky? Padres (for G-d sakes they're playing Brian Giles every day) .... Royals (just lost Crisp for the year) .... would they dare trade him to the Mets, who HAVE to be concerned with Beltran's knee bruise.
 Giles - "Selig" backwards! - just went on the DL, methinks...
alright, i'm out, y'all. got my JOBA RULES shirt on. have a good game, people!
obviously, the deal was ... the yankees brass was afraid of *my* ulitmatum.
win tonite, or i'll step away from the yankees for 1 ... WHOLE ... MONTH.
no BB, no RAB, no noMAAS.
lose tonite and you're *dead to me!*
sincerely, cult ...
* for 1 WHOLE MONTH, LOSERS!
Now that the Yankee regulars don't have to worry about Gov. Sanford, maybe they will score some runs.
UPDATE, 5:01 p.m.: The hitters all just went into a meeting. I bet it’s about getting more hits.
(I [heart] PeteAbe)
i am ever the optimist, really i am.
but i didn't even bother turning on last night's game.
i've watched/listened to/been at 150+ games a year since i was 7 (minus two years at college in vermont with no radio or tv)
i decided i had better things to do.
SOMEONE GET ME A WIN ALREADY
yanks 6, ted turners 4.
robbie hits a three run shot in the 7th to take lead.
 I'd trade Melky Cabrera, David Robertson, and Kevin Cash, in addition to the cash they just got for Veras, to Kansas City for Zack Greinke. They can even keep Kyle Farnsworth!
 I would guess Swisher didn't want to sit, and talked himself into the lineup.
What I found interesting was Pete's observation that Mo hasn't pitched since June 16. Yikes. That's not good. Mo needs regular work to stay sharp.
 Dude, I'm right here.
Apologies for the lack of postage...I haven't really put my stamp on the Banter much this year. Guess you could say I've been mailing it in.
Let's go Yanks.
 You can't mail it in if you lack postage, knuckles...
Isn't the Yankees sending Veras to the Indians for cash considerations the same as trading him for a decent hitting, avg fielding outfielder with injury issues on the backend of his career? I mean I guess you have to get something for him, but we couldn't even get a rookie leaguer?
 For Jose Veras???
I figure "cash considerations" means some GM stock. And I'll take it and run, thanks.
Sliced Bread, Will Weiss, and knuckles. We can't lose.
 I think there was a very good chance we'd get nothing for him.
Like happened with Bronson Sardinha. You know, our first round draft pick, who we gave a million dollar signing bonus in 2001. They needed to get him off the roster, nobody was willing to trade anything for him, and he cleared waivers. And declared free agency and left.
  It was kind of a joke, the kind appears to be poor. We did get nothing for him. How much money are they going to give us? I was just comparing how the Yankees need $, as much as they need another outfielder who is a decent hitter but is old, has injury issues, is a poor to average fielder, and would be better off as a DH.
Yes I realize if that in thios situation $100 would be a good deal for Veras as opposed to him walking away.
Girardi said the plan was to play Swish all along, they just posted the wrong lineup.
No word yet on the roster move to make room for Cody Ransom.
 They're still trying to figure out where Angel Berroa is stashing those photos of Cashman. . .
 In Chris Britton's jockstrap? : ) Tonight......feels like a good night for a w. Go, Joba!
There's a "Homer Bush" joke floating around here somewhere ...
Amelia had her hand-me-down Robinson Cano shirt on this morning, so here's hoping Robby responds with a good night. Per Pete, Cano's among those doing the least harm.
Makes sense .... neither Amelia or Cano have learned how to walk yet :-)
 Or there are pictures of Biff Henderson and Alex Rodriguez with more than just "the cream" on their hands...
UPDATE, 7:05 p.m.: As expected, Berroa was designated for assignment.
Angel, you were too beautiful for this cruel and heartless world. Back to the cornfields with Shoeless Joe you go...
When we look back on the Angel Berroa years ... um ... months ... um .... weeks ....
Um, note to Yankees hitters...
Work the count?
Reply to PJ...
And what's a count?
Random fact: Melky Cabrera and Brett Gardner each made exactly 35 starts in center this season before Gardner broke the tie tonight. Gardner appears to be in the process of winning the job back.
Sadly, Diane, it was months.
Who is this Cliff Corcoran person and what's he doing on this live game blog?
looks like the meetings with the hitters are paying big results tonight.
I'll have me a spicy kawakami roll
man, i just can't get used to those low 90's fastballs from joba
Ah, Berroa is gone. Our long, national nightmare is over.
Oh Tex? Phone call .... its Keith Hernandez .... something about "lack of range" ...
Any unagi on the menu?
There's ole no range Mark Teixeira lucky to get that Jones grounder in the hole again... right Keef?
Tex is costing us runs at first? Whaaaa???
things are not looking good when we are happy and optimistic to have cody ransom back...
If you had told me that on June 23rd Andy Pettitte would lead the team in wins, I would have eaten my shoe.
Nice swat by A-Rod, but when you're in a slump, those ones get caught.
 I'LL SWALLOW YOUR ROLL, I'LL SWALLOW YOUR ROLL!!!
/ EVIL DEAD 2'D
Hernandez is just jealous that Tex is getting $22M plus per year and all he got is a lifetime supply of Just for Men!
covering HUGH TRACTS of real estate ...
we get it Kay ... no singing!
Nate McLouth earning his paycheck tonight.
Is Brian McCann the brother of Pat?
McCann the Yankee killer.
jesus ,I'M ON FIRE HERE PEOPLE!
somebody put me out!
suddenly Joba became mussina with those fastballs
So, Cashman is in the house. Considering that the Yankees are two days from returning to NY, that little piece of news has given me a little bit of optimism in what has become an increasingly depressing season. Add in the controversey surrounding the lineup and maybe, just maybe the Yankees are finally ready to admit their mistake and move on.
Yay. Gardner managed to catch that one without braining himself.
toronto is pounding cincy again. if the yanks don't take care of their sushi tonight, they'll lose the WC to toronto
up to 95 and 94 now on the fastball, this is good!
I was at that Murcer 4 HR DH.
Murcer .... sigh ....
 I remember some local here mentioning that before. Cool. That is a game(s) I'd like to see on Yes.
Damn Interleague. : D
ouch! joba swung the bat pretty well.
Eerily reminiscent of where Mike Coolbaugh got hit .....
is kawakami really throwing a perfect game so far?
At least Joba can hit the ball hard. Unlike some of the Yankees' regular hitters.
LSU jumped on Texas early in the final game of the CWS. 4-zip second inning.
After slumping for over week, it seems kind of odd that the Yankees would hold a hitters meeting only hours after Cashman met with Girardi. If things were tight before, I can only imagine how they must be now.
It would be real interesting if two Braves pitchers threw a combined perfect game.
Would someone tell me how/why the Yanks are better off with Nady than Bay or McClouth?
 + marte
so we all expect Medlen to give up 1 hit over the next 5 innings right?
 'cause his first name starts with an X??
Eek... my power just went out... for 3 seconds, and luckily came back on. With all this cable stuff, I never know what's going to happen with a major power burb. Anyway, the new IE is smart enough to restore it's session... as well as a page from last week, and inexplicable, a nasty T&A type page (wonder where THAT came from?).
The DH in 1970 was the real deal... 2 games for the price of 1. The first HR was his last AB in the 1st game, then HRs in his first 2 ABs, then a walk, and then an unbelievable AB, which included a number if nasty foul liners, a foul HR, and finally, after like 100 swings, Bobby put one in the seats.
It was really unbelievable.
 I don't know, if they have not seen him before, he will probably pitch 3 scoreless innings.
 One? That might be a little high.
We have our Fuchs and Shmucks, but for a Japanese guy to have a last name that sounds so much like 'kamikaze' is weird. Did this kid get teased in school, or what?
Also, I agree that Teix does not have range. He has great hand-eye, and catches what he can reach. He mostly falls on shots he has to move for. I watched Mattingly (on TV) a lot. You can't compoare them. Donnie was a ballet dancer out there. Smooth. Graceful. Great hands.
 Bay was involved in the Manny trade. Do you think we were going to get him for the kids we gave away? Bay is a stud. Nady is an average player who was having a career year.
These team has absolutely abandoned its patient approach. Even though Damon and Jeter hit the ball hard, neither of them saw a strike off a pitcher entering the day with 14 walks in 21 innings. Kawakami also entered the game walking 4/9inn and how did Jeter start things off? By hacking at the first pitch of course.
Yesterday, the Red Sox destroyed the Nats, but not because they hit Lannan. They put up 11 runs because they ran his pitch count up and went to town on the bullpen. When the Yankees faced Lannan, they didn't knock him out until the 9th. This has been a reoccurring theme and even after a team meeting, it doesn't seem to have been addressed. This entire lineup looks tight as a drum, so something has to be done to relieve the pressure. Something tells me that if the Yankees lose tonight, Girardi will be fired. It makes no sense for Cashman to fly into Atlanta unless something is imminent.
 I doubt it. It's a pretty common name in Japan. And it doesn't sound like that much like "kamikaze" in Japanese, if that makes any sense.
 hey, hey ... ho, ho
joey joe joe has to go?
I was just upstairs packing, are the Yankees still being no-hit?
Well that's one way to get to Atlanta's bullpen. Fitting it came off a pitcher's bat...
 Only on YES.
 Does is sound like Schmuck?
It can't be as simple as eye drops for Ortiz ...
alright ... alex ends our long national nightmare ... right NOW!
Bad news for Brandon Webb .... he may have a torn labrum ...
Christ! ARod missed a fat pitch there.
 "It makes no sense for Cashman to fly into Atlanta unless something is imminent."
Well there is always the chance A-Rod takes Cashman to Buckhead to prove to him he's getting his "rest"...
Maybe Cashman is trying to track down Michael Stipe ...
 It also makes no sense to have Veras or Berroa on your team. . .
I don't know if Cashman is thinking this, but maybe he wanted to see how the team would react to his presence: either rally around the manager or continue their listless play. Every sign is really pointing toward this being Girardi's last game.
I'm sure glad Spanky McSkittles talked Cashman and Girardi into starting him again...
First Benito, Next Hirohito!
Way to break up the perfect game, Alex! Robbie! Nick!
Fuck it ... sheesh.
 Other than Cashman's presence, and your guess is as good as mine as to why he's there, what other "signs" do you see indicating this may be Girardi's last game?
and there's your ballgame
PJ - Do you really equate the physical 'stress' of a late night of partying with playing 3B in the major leagues? I don't think the doctors said ARod needs bed rest. Frankly, ARod probably NEEDS as much losening up as possible. His dedication to the game is reknown. It's not like he's slacking off.
Do you believe all other MLB players are in bed by 8:00?
I don't believe it. Failcoeur?
And there goes the ballgame. Not winning with such a good start by Joba is unacceptable
christ, losing this game on a home run to Francouer would just be so horribly, unimaginably awful.
Can you hit a walk-off in the bottom of the 5th?
Kay with the AWFFFFFFFFUUUULLLL pun ....
"Every schtick begins with Kay"
On the plus side the Yankee pitching has been pretty good lately.
 you really think so? Girardi's last game? OH I'd trade a win if Girardi would be fired overnight and we'd get Pena. I'll be there tomorrow and I'd love to NOT see Girardi
I guess I can't cite any good reason why any person should be manager other than results. Girardi didn't make he post-season last year and the team appears to have quit on him. Not scoring for 14 straight innings and sitting in the middle of a perfect game in Atlanta appears to be evidence enough for me. I realize the sample size is small in terms of innings, but I hate the trends I am seeing all around the field. Arod swinging wildly at pitches off the plate, Jorge not running out a ground ball last night, CC calling him out for overpitching him....They just seem lethargic to me.
Maybe I just want change for the sake of change. I wish we had Torre now, and I was so glad to see him go after 2007. But 1+ year of playing like poop changes one's perspectives. If the Yanks fired Girardi and lost 20 in a row, I'd be crying for him back, so what do I know.
But I still think they've quit on him and he has to go.
 cringeworthy diane
please stop hanging breaking balls
 This is Cashman's second intervention. If he really wanted to get a feel for the team's pulse, he could have waited until Friday for the team to return to NY. He not only met with Girardi, but seems to have been involved in a lineup change and the team having a hitter's meeting. That's a lot of action for this to be just a visit. With the way the Yankees are playing even tighter, which is an accomplishment for them, maybe some word has filtered out. This just feels like a funeral.
Joba really looks good. I think his slow velocity at times may just be him pacing himself. The really good pitchers sort of cruise then dial it up a notch if they get into trouble.
aight ... here we go
gritner walks ... then steals
frankie brains bunts him over
joba drives him in
this is a sad, sad team. just for the sake of stats, if they are gonna lose this game, why not lose it being no-hit or losing v a perfect game by 2 pitchers.
 I agree. Joba learning. Wang Improving. Phil lookin' good. I'm looking for any rays of goodness. : ) The o. blah. It's gotta be the swine-flu!!
meanwhile, big pop-up is back to big papi...
 William... I don't know what you do for work, but you would be highly successful as a gossip columnist.
let me preface this by saying, while not really impressed or satisfied with girardi i am not necessairly caling for his head without knowing the contingency plan.
with that said, i don't have the feeling (fwiw) that him being fired is imminent.
damn, perfect game over
Go, Gardy, First pitch. Something. For the love of Pete.!
 Gritner walks...Check.
Joba with 76 pitches thru 5. Once of his more efficient games. He might get 7 tonight.
well thats just perfect
Or that. Holy Fuckin' shit.
fuck even that doesn't work right
Good Ortiz plus Bucholtz over Dice-K is very bad news for us, I think.....This part of the season was our chance to jump out on the Sox while they were sorting out their issues: Epic Fail.
He looked safe...........
What's this? The Yankees are hitting, so why is a Yankee standing on first base?
Oh, never mind.
Gardner picked? Well, at least that's a little variety.
he was safe though i think
He was safe, you putz!!!!
 Kawakami, "Kawa" = 川 "river", "Kami" = 上 "upper"
Why was he taken out? Gamecast doesn't say..
No hits in th 6th
My futon calls me back, sleep
In dreams, we score runs
Turn around, Joe. Go back, my man.
what a HORRIBLE FUCKING CALL
Not even that close! CLEARLY safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW what a terrible call
that was pure theatre by Girardi--nicely timed cut to Cashman looking enigmatic in the crowd....
wow, outrageously bad call!
For those not watching the game, Girardi just tossed a handful of sunflower seeds to the vultures perched atop the Yankee dugout, then strolled onto the field to have a word with one of the umpires.
Now, he's back in the dugout, and the birds are perched on his shoulders.
will girardi come out in a stache now?
and yeah definitely safe
Yankee baseball Haiku ..... excellent!
 Joba hit him in the neck with a comebacker.
He's okay, just bruised.
Frankie you NUT!
Obviously, the Yankees play better when Girardi isn't managing :)
there's your manager, clearly provoking the HR
Cevelli is the man!
JOEY JOE JOE FIRES THEM UP!!!!!!!
That should be 2-1. Gardner was safe by a mile.
that was SWWWWWEEEEETTTTT
Cervix goes deep! :-)
Me still confused. Why was a Yankee running around the bases, and why is there a "1" next to the Yankees.
 That's just the way its been for the Yanks lately.
 Dear OYF,
If only you had the power to "fire" anyone, perceived or otherwise, I might be impressed...
Until that time however, I am lovingly yours,
All I know is a manager's job is about the performance of the team. There may be injuries, in-fighting, dumb luck, etc., etc., etc., that may unfairly determine a manger's record. BUT at the end of the day if the team does not live up to expectations the manager is gone.
The Yanks are 38-32 right now and are leading the wild card. That would get Girardi an extension in Pittsburgh, but that doesn't get it done when:
1. They didn't make the playoffs last year
2. They are 0-8 against Boston this year
3. The Yanks spent mega bucks on CC, Teix & Burnett; and got Swish via trade
4. They are 1-2 against the Nationals
5. They are 4-9 in their last 13
Expectations are everything. Greed is good, etc. etc. Sorry, Charlie, that dog won't hunt in New York. I say he's gone.
 He had a stupid lead IMO. His steals to second throws haven't even been close as of late. Lame base running even if he was safe.
 Yep yep...
 Something called a run, the Yankees variety has been near exticntion. Cervelli is leading conservation efforts to bring them back.
I do miss the Martin/Pinella episodes where they came dashing out of the dugout... and the only question was whether they could get to within 5' of the ump before exploding. Where you could see the veins in their neck poppin' from the CF camera.
Where the spit was flyin' and you almost felt sorry for the ump
 Since the 1st base umpire ruined my 1st shot at prognosticatagory glory, I'm calling another right now, Frankie Brains just saved the season.
You can thank me later!
Right or wrong, Billy Martin would lift Gardner for Melky, just to make a point about getting picked off first....where's Brett's focus?
 I like when Billy would turn his hat sideways mid-argument and look like some warped middle-aged Dead End Kid
i still find it hard to see roger mcdowell as a coach
Hey Kay .... remember when you were just another newspaper beat writer, and now you're one of the voices of the Yankees ...
 Not his fault, he was safe. He should be taking good leads. Plus he broke up the perfecto.
 But then what would he do when Melky slid head first into first base, or was thrown out trying to stretch a single into a double?
They're spitting on A-Rod's grave. C'mon, Alex. South Beach this B$%$#!
alex sweeps the motherloving goddamn leg here.
little bingo here, Almost Famous.
 I loved reading "Billy Martin: Number 1" in 1980 or 1981 when I was a young teen. I still remember reading about how Billy explained all those fights (he never started them) and couldn't understand why everyone thought he was a drunk when he had complete control over his drinking. Naturally, I believed him when I read that stuff and felt like he was treated unfairly. I didn't realize until much later that the entire book was dedicated to his denial.
But, until he really pickled himself, his teams did well....for a year or two anyway.
More afraid of Tex than Arod. That's a lack of respect Alex. Show'em they were wrong. Make them realize they messed with the wrong guy. Get'em boy. Sick'em.
hopefully thelarmis took alex out last night to look for blonde chicks - because he really needs to break out of his slump here
 Seriously! It's time Alejandro, tie with Reggie here!
 I'm confused--is a manager's job about "performance" or "expectations"? Are you arguing that if the Yankees were not in the WC lead but played better against Washington, expectations would be met?
 Billy Martin would call that hustle. He run out to argue the call, get pitched from the game, and he and Art Fowler would get blind stinking drunk and get in a fight.
Alex, Tony said sick'em.
Word to Big Bird.
 you can mail me your checks now!
There you go Arod....very arrogant pitch selection by the Braves. Even ahead 0-2, they just challenged him with fastballs down the middle.
A-Rod + base hit + more Yankee "runs"? I think I've fallen into a parallel universe.
Pena is already paying dividends.
 NO, I am setting forth a list of how the team has failed to live up to expectations. Their record is roughly the same as last year with more talent. Losing 2-3 to the Nationals is failing to live up to expectations. Being only in the WC lead is also failing to live up to expectations. They should be in first place.
If the Yanks swept Washington but were, let's say, in 5th place, I'd say things would be worse. They'd be even further below expectations than they are right now.
I just think the nationals series really stands out because of the way the effort appeared and because the nationals are terrible
quite obvious all of his teammates hate a-rod. nobody was cheering for him
It takes a few innings for the effects of Berroa to wear off ....
ZOMG! He went oppo on a fastball to the outter half!
Good thing he's rested!
 how much?
Cult, Banterer of the Day, for sho!
Kate Hudson puttin on the leather and lace tonight!
FWIW, I finally bothered to check the transactions for today. I see that Ransom was activated and Berroa DFA'd. I'm not sure if anyone mentioned that before...or if anyone cares!
 when you get right down to it, a manager's job is to manage the team so that the team meets or exceeds expectations. That's been true historically.
 no, I was being sarcastic. they were going crazy. definitely pulling for him there. nice showing
 Nostralarmis is at the game ... had to fill in, y'know?
 Nice! Welcome back
The criple is having a nice inning.
 Now I can't think about baseball.
 Great, now I need to take a cold shower.
For those not watching, Cashman just removed his hooded cloak, folded it, and tucked the garment into his overnight bag. He handed his scythe to a clubhouse attendant, but (I can tell from reading his lips) ordered him to keep it close by.
 Everyone's job on the team is meet or exceed expectations. The devil is in the detail: what is expected of a manager? For that matter, what is expected of each player? How much are individuals held responsible for corporate failures (and successes)?
Seeing Cevelli and Joba on the mound makes me feel old. : ) But good, too!
 Maybe been in Asia too long but..Kate Hudson is NOT attractive...but if it leads to an A-Rod revival he can party with Nancy Walker for all I care!
 Actually, Cashma said (according to Ham) that Girardi is doing "an exceptional job." So Cash has become part of the problem.
 Hold the "Salmon Mousse"...
Did I mention Joba looks really good today?
 So basically, when our players, many of whom make over $10m/year, do not perform, it's the managers fault... regardless of other circumstances?
 I love that imagery!
Of course, Cashman could be thinking, hmmm, the boys respond well to Tony Pena. Maybe it's no coincidence that once Girardi left the bench, the team relaxed? Pena was really rooting Arod on...that kind of support had to help!
 You've been in Asia too long. lol.
 Who is Ham?
Hey, Swish! Roll on, Yanks.
4th OF POWER!!!
 Putting aside whether you can build the case against Girardi, generally, yes, if players don't perform, the manager is held responsible.
 Peter AbraHAM
Cashman's lineup change is paying dividends :) Maybe Cash should don the old pinstripes?
 Kate Hudson oiling the rubber goods....
 She is not a classic beauty by any means, but quite charming.
 Haha, it ain't just sushi, sake and jazz bars that have kept me in Japan, friend. :)
Who was that guy? Oh yeah... the "Road Warrior!"
 That's kind of a discouraging quote, although a vote of confidence is usually the precursor of an axe.
 fuel efficient cars?
clean public restrooms??
Oh no...Joba bunting.
I dub thee: Francisco "Floodgates" Cervelli.
Walking Cervelli. You can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him.
 Whew...I was worried he'd lay one down with his forearm.
Well... I guess Joba is going 7.
 Octo.....? James Bond. Forget it. It's a family site. : D
Is there any way Cervelli gets sent down when Molina returns? Really?
Just thought I'd ask...
 might as well - got pettitte and a just pulled from a game early sabathia going back to back
 If he does... Fan Revolution!!!
 Cheap, reliable public transport instead of cars.
Wonderfully clean & safe public bathrooms.
No tentacle porn, rather "poetic" historical dramas, lots of kimonos and open-air Japanese baths :)
 What did Joba look like bunting??
 i don't think has been a family site for some time :}
 Ms Oct, do you need some hyphens? I have lots to spare.
 Well how do families get created. . .
 "Everyone’s job on the team is meet or exceed expectations. The devil is in the detail: what is expected of a manager? For that matter, what is expected of each player? How much are individuals held responsible for corporate failures (and successes)?"
I don't disagree with you Monkeypants, but the players have longer contracts for more money. You normally can't just "fire" them and eat the money. You can let them walk after their contract or you can trade them if you they don't have a "no trade" clause and you can find a trade partner. Sorry, but managers are simply more fungible.
And this argument that players determine who wins, not managers or coaches, is a fallacy. Why do certain football coaches win wherever they go? Bear Bryant won at Kentucky! Bill Parcells took the Cowboys to the playoffs with Quincy Carter at quarterback. Why did Billy Martin turn around the Twins, Tigers, and Rangers before ultimately drinking/fighting his way out of those cities?
The manager is the face of the team and he's the one who is going to be fired if the team does poorly.
 absolutely --The manager is always responsible. See above.
 Well it's clear to you and me RYI in any event. I think he can "learn to hit" in the majors...
 Pissed. How dare they make a slugger bunt ; )
 was for 
 I blame A-Rod. You're fired. ; )
 I don't know... in the Orient, they tend to believe that women are sexual objects for men, and should actually be schooled in technique. I mean... who would want to live with that?
If the Yankees have a spare catcher, flip him for a bullpen arm.
Caveat: a good bullpen arm.
Sometimes these things have to be spelled out.
 Like the Scooter...it was really a perfect, smooth bunt.
 sure - stop hording the hypens!
 You can keep Kate Hudson! Give me open air baths in Japan in winter every day that ends in "y"!
For those not watching, ARod didn't warm up between innings just now. Instead, he was in the first row above the Braves dugout, doing bodyshots off The Real Housewives Of Atlanta.
 I got it, PJ.
He can maintain his current OPS mediocrity, for all I care. Until today I was on the "send him down so he can play every day and develop" side. No more.
 Not that again. Oy. : ) The future is what you make of it......
Mesmerized by Youklis' mug shot on ESPN Gamecast. Too many jokes. Overload........
 "absolutely –The manager is always responsible. See above."
"Sorry, but managers are simply more fungible"
It's poor logic, and not necessarily smart.
With multi-zillionaire players with guaranteed contracts, firing the manager, or a coach, doesn't exactly put the fear of God in them, the way it did in the old days.
I don't know if Girardi is any good, but you keep/fire him on his own merits.
....um....me.....I always said the sexiest woman in the history of film was Nova in Planet of the Apes.
 Billy Martin was probably the greatest manager who ever lived for a season or two. After that, he was the worst.
But I think it's clear that Girardi needs to go.
decent play that tex even caught that shitty throw
Oh, come on. Today we're supposed to get the breaks...
 O-k, here-ya-go.
Let's hope you need some of them for Brett's next AB: and inside-the-park homer...
 because managers are responsible for performance. If the team wins and meets or exceeds expectations the manager can usually expect a return engagement next year. If the team fails to meet expectations then you have to decide "do we keep him". If it's one year of failure (like 2008) maybe you decide to bring that manager back. But what about 2 years in a row? Do you just bring him back until the end of time if he can't manage the team to first place?
Girardi is clearly on a shorter leash than 2008.
I really don't like using Aceves in the late iinnings.
 Wow. Sexist and racist. How charming.
 Wow OYF, been watching "You Only Live Twice" recently?
"Mr. Bond, in Japan, the man comes first, the woman must cater to the man.>"
"Well, I think I may like it here.."
I can say this is certainly no longer the case..at least with my lady :)
 actually can't wait to see Joba bunt..hysterical am sure
 Billy Martin was the classic change of pace manager. He would always pay immediate dividends (mostly because of his baseball accumen) and then quickly wear out his welcome (mostly because of his personal problems). He'd be exactly the kind of guy you bring in mid-season to light a fire under a struggling group, but not the man you'd want returning the next season.
 "Sorry, but managers are simply more fungible."
I agree. But that's a different argument.
"And this argument that players determine who wins, not managers or coaches, is a fallacy."
Indeed it is. Not only that, it's a straw man, since I never made the claim (unless you are arguing with someone else).
The issue is not that managers/coaches have *no* effect. The qestion is *what* effect do they have, and thus to what degree should they be held responsible for corporate failure (and success).
Unless you say that they should be canned because, well, it's easy to fire them. That's an argument from expediency.
Nothing is easy.
Very questionable pitch there....Joba has had a great slider and he leaves a fastball up in the zone.
crap - joba out
 He's also, arguably, exactly the sort of manager you don't want around young pitchers, unless you want them all to have arm surgery the next season!
Still, he is the best manager I ever remember for seeming to squeeze everything he could out of team for one season.
 Rich, unquestionably. Perhaps if Billy didn't drink he wouldn't have gotten into so much hot water all the time. On the other hand, the disciplinarian doesn't usually last more than a season or two because the act gets stale AND ask the A's staff from 1980 if he could manage starters.
I just feel like Girardi's time to go is now. If the players are rich and don't have to listen to him then fine, maybe we get a different manager who can command their respect. It's hard to manage.
 correction EDPCy
Joba is very perplexing. With a few exceptions, his final stat line always seems to be rather mediocre.
good recovery swish
 Is someone like Billy Martin the exception to the rule though? I still think managers in baseball have less impact than in the other major sports..again, Charlie Manuel won the WS!! Great people skills, yes, but is he a good "baseball" manager?
Make it look easy, Swish!
Yikes. Put a tent on the circus, Shish!
 I think Billy's shelf-life was a little longer than a half a season, but I agree that because he was a deeply troubled alcoholic, he did wear out his welcome fairly quickly.
I think Bobby V. is almost a sober version of him.
WTG, Swish! Take that Francesa.
I've never laughed out loud at potential Yankee misfortune before. That was the circus catch to end all circus catches!
No Aceves after that atom ball?
Swish bouncing off the Coke Zero sign in deep deep right.
Coke Zero. Heh. How bout that?
 I agree, EE.
 OYF's post was certainly NOT sexist (he was decrying perceived inequality between men and women), and it was hardly "racist"--cultural uninformed perhaps (if his estimation is wrong), but not racist.
Wow, it's been a while since we had a thread where the S and R words get thrown around. The Yankees must be winning!
Swisher making a nice catch look awkward since 2009.
Okay, okay, okay.
Maybe two runs for us. That would be nice. I'd feel calmer.
 This is where I disagree with most here, I think. I think managers have a very significant impact in certain spots. Part of the reason I have come full circle on Girardi is because I think he has had a decidely negative impact in very prominent game situations.
 well if you weren't suggesting (or implying) that the players (and not the manager) should be the ones to take the heat for underperforming in you post  then I guess I did miss your point or maybe you didn't have one at all. I just don't know what you can do to punish Derek Jeter for GIDP besides benching him and then you're cutting your nose off to spite your face.
My point is that the team IS/HAS underperformed not just this year but last year too. SO, I think Girardi should be shown the door. Maybe that gets the team's attention, maybe it doesn't, maybe it's expediency. I just think it didn't work out and it's time for him to go. Maybe Cashman too.
Yuo know, I had two friends on the West Coast, one married to a Korean lady (from Korea), the other to a Japanese one (from Japan, neither a second generation Asian). I joked with them to the effect that their wives were subservient.
They both laughed at me.
I'll take it...and so will Damon.
 Maybe a little longer, but not much. His longest consecutive tenure was three full seasons (one abbreviated by the strike) with Oakland and approximately three seasons worth of games over 4 years with the Yankees (1975-1978).
Braves and Yankees switch personalities mid-game.
Here we go. Does A-Rod bunt here??
Okay, no bunt.
alright robi - your turn to do something
This has to make Alex feel a little better!
 And he severely overworked their up and coming rotation during those years, iirc.
 Robi. First South Asian MLB player!
 My point is that the team IS/HAS underperformed not just this year but last year too. SO, I think Girardi should be shown the door.
Fine. My point is that players AND managers must share responsibility. If one wants to be expedient, then yes, you can the manager because it's easy to do. Maybe it makes you feel better.
But if you are *really* interested in expectations and results, you need to assess more carefully the degree to which the manager helped or hurt the team. If, for example, all of the start players get hurt and the team does not "meet expectations" (fails to make the playoffs), then it hardly seems reasonable to hold the manager responsible and fire him (unless you can reasonably blame the manager for the injuries, as we have seen this year).
  Hey, I didn't say that this time! Just a bit out-dated..for sure, things here are more "unequal" between the sexes than in the US, though nothing like it was even 30 years ago..
 Don't the Sabremetricians say that a manager can lose a game but will very rarely win one for you? No idea how this can be measured/quantified...
Bet Cox gets ejected too.
Oh, man. Real breaks tonight for us. Not every break, but enough!
tex could give base-running classses to some of the shit-for-brains on the yanks (better riyank)
Cano's lack of discipline is the only negative in his game, although granted it's not insignificant.
Something needs to be done with Cano...he has become a hack'o'matic. It's time to move him out of the 5-hole.
Hm. Who knows this rule? Is Kenny right -- he just has to nip the chalk line?
 I do remember reading "Number 1: Billy Martin" at 13 and thinking "Why is the Press so hard on and unfair to Billy? He never started a fight (after all he said so in his book) and he says that his drinking isn't a problem because he can quit anytime he wants! Why does everyone pick on that poor guy!???!"
And I was so upset that day in 1978 when the team was mired in a slump, hopelessly out of the race, season over, and Billy quit in tears....and here came Bob Lemon to manage that team to the pennant and the crown. If Billy finished out the year I promise you that Roger Kahn would not have written "October Men" and Dan Shaughnessy might not have ever written about Boston curses.
So who's our Bob Lemon (and I don't necessarily mean the same style manager; I mean the guy to turn it around)?
 Superb hyphen use. Hyphenacious. Hyphenissimo!
Who pitches the EIGHTH INNING today?
Are we going to see rusty Mo in the ninth?
Nostralarmis texts from the game and says "HI ... go Yanks!!!"
Odd baseball player name of the night ....
 I've never agreed with that logic because by not losing a game, a manager can help you win. Sunday's game was a classic example. There was no reason to bring Tomko into that game, but Girardi did it anyway. There was so much game left, but I think most would have to agree that worst way to protect the 3-1 lead was Tomko.
 We'll see Mo, for sure.
How appropriate that the day we get some Momentum back...
 IIRC, the 1978 team was crippled with injuries early in the year. Bob Lemon "turned it around" largely by managing when the team was healthier.
I'd give Robertson the 8th.
 Can you clue us in? I don't want to register with CBS Sports just to see it. Unless it's really worth it...
 of course!
and *his* answer to  is ... "I WANNA SEE MO!"
nice insurance runs, bruney the mo (even if it is not a save situation at that point)
 Me. But I'm busy. ; )
 uh, why?
 I got a log in screen.
I like the fact that Gardner makes every ground ball close at first. Getting the fielders to rush will lead to mistakes.
 Because i think he's good and can be an important contributor...but I just remembered we have Bruney now.
 Hey, I didn’t say that this time!
"...maybe we get a different manager who can command their respect. It’s hard to manage"
Sorry. Torre is happy on the West Coast.
Hey, you know what?
I kinda like it when the Yankees get lots of "hits" and score more "runs" than the other team. They should do it more often. Any way to get that suggestion to the team?
 Kenny is right...to remain in the baseline, the runner has to keep both feet within the line at the time a play is being made, which Cano did.
Why do the Yankees think Damon is superior defensively to Swisher at this point, because it's not true.
 "If, for example, all of the start players get hurt and the team does not “meet expectations” (fails to make the playoffs), then it hardly seems reasonable to hold the manager responsible and fire him (unless you can reasonably blame the manager for the injuries, as we have seen this year)."
But what about 2007? Everyone got hurt and we got to the postseason....aberration you cry? Ok, what about 2005?
At some point you have to hold the manager accountable. You have to look at the team's record, lack of hitting, etc. Maybe you look at the fact that he didn't have Arod steal in the 9th against Washington...was that the right move? I don't know. I'm really not looking at trees; I'm looking at one season (2008) down the drain and another season (2009) that looks perilous. And sorry, but Manager Girardi is going to be held to the standard of making the playoffs every year from 1995 to 2007(until he showed up).
We can debate all night regarding when the manager should be accountable. I'm just saying that based on what I've seen I'm ready to pull the trigger. And perhaps my analysis is colored by the many times I've seen managers fired and the new manager comes in and seemingly sparks the team onto bigger and better things (Lemon and Mckeon being two examples).
 ok ... just making sure you weren't proposing Robertson over Bruney here
 Quick somebody get George Costanza.
 maybe cult can text thelarmis or evil empire can tell them tomorrow
pena was itching to make the double switch
OK Jazz, do you and your significant other ever go to the Kabuki Theater?
 Good, because it wasn't working well enough with him either.
I thought Kenny said his foot had to hit the chalk.
I agree with your observation -- he was within the baseline.
 Hey Monkeypants. I am looking out the window and I say it's dark outside (quick, post back and tell me it's daytime because honestly this point counterpoint is beginning to feel a bit like disagreement for the sake of disagreement). No offense.
 it's probably more about the spot in the order since swisher's spot acame up last inning
 Tell Mr. OK Jazz, I bet he'll disagree with you about that!
 Oh, that makes sense. It just seemed to be their pattern.
These aren't disagreements Evil Empire. We come here for arguments!
No we don't!
Yes we do!
I just gave you the $5!
No you didn't!
Crap, it looks like this is BBrian BBruney tonight.
 I love Dirk Hayhurst!
I mean, I love his writing. He's best known for this piece, but all his posts are worth reading. It's a great view of life as a minor league ball player.
This is about steroids. Very humorous.
IMO, he could have a career as a writer if this baseball thing doesn't work out.
 wait. disagreement for the sake of disagreement???
on teh banter?!?!?!?
i'm shocked! shocked, i tell you!!!
 Hitting the chalk means you are within the baseline, just like hitting the chalk means you are in the batter's box.
Nice pitch execution.
 Ever see Eddie Murphy's 'Raw' performance?
How do I hate Garret Anderson, let me count the ways.
LSU up 9-4 over Texas in the 6th.
Damn...TB beating up the Phillies 5-1, so nothing gained today.
Nothin lost either.
It's a very very very bad week when Mo gets less airtime than Andy Rooney.
Bruney really needs to grow that horrible thing on his upper lip into a proper "Megan's Law" ...
 Hm, I'm looking for the rule in section 7. Can't find it.
 Al the more reason why managers shouldn't be wedded to only using "closers' in the 9th inning.
 Did ya' ever wonder why Berroa was on the Yanks?
Oh, come on, Brian. Smoke the dude.
bruney - strikes for chrissakes
 Well, not yet at least. You'd think after this past fortnight, I wouldn't count the chickens too soon.
STOP FUCKING WALKING PEOPLE!!!
All of Us.
 pound those budweisers!
Unless he isn't ready, Mo has to be in this game.
 Wow, I just looked at the Game Day images. I think every one of those five pitches was actually in the strike zone. On the edges, but strikes.
They have a V chip so kids don't have to watch violence on TV.
I want an S chip so I don't have to watch spitting.
 I have this old bat I made. I never used it though. I forgot why I keep it...
Oh yeah, she's funny!
 I want a T chip so I don't have to watch Brett Tomko.
Put him away!
 Well played.
 PJ, have been a few times but the lady and I are more Sumo fans..we usually go at least one day to each tournament in Tokyo (January, May, Sept.)
Well, gotta get up early tomorrow, driving from Toledo to Ft. Ticonderoga tomorrow, then off to Vermont to visit relatives and miss the Yankees-Mets hype.
Let's go Mo!
I want a tortilla chip and a strawberry daquiri
damn, the ESPN talking heads are totally right for once........making Francoeur look like an MLB hitter is flat-out unacceptable.
The time for Rivera was against Francouer. It's amazing how poor the decisions become late in close games.
 NO offense taken, because it's not worth my time to be offended by the witticism.
I'm not sure why you think that I am disagreeing with you. Go back and slow,y, carefully read what I wrote. I never contradicted your main argument, that managers must be held responsible for failing to meet expectations. I only questioned, implicitly, if managers should be held entirely responsible for corporate failure and success.
Again, read very slowly, and you will see that I have not disagreed with your assessment that Girardi should be fired, and fired immediately. I may even agree with you. I just question the logic by which you come to the conclusion.
And yes, I think that you are dead wrong about Bob Lemon and the 1978 Yankees, but that was a long time ago and I'd have to do some research on the topic. You will note, again reading very carefully and looking at all the words, that I have not commented on McKeown.
So in short, I'm sorry that you seem to feel that I am "targeting" you because I engaged in a discussion that took a more middle ground and, worse (apparently), questioned your reasoning.
The Yanks have not yet won a game this summer. That's a shame.
Why am I hearing fireworks on June 24th? (he asks rhetorically)
Geez. Francoeur's gonna be sorry when the Yanks leave town.
 I love Sumo!
 What, no dip?
 I found this interpretation on a website:
"Exception: The batter/runner may go outside these lines to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball. The batter/runner is considered outside this three-foot lane if either or both feet are outside the lines. This situation usually occurs when the ball is fielded in the area in front of home plate and the subsequent throw is made to first base. Be sure your players understand the RULE!... 'Both offensively and defensively!'
You gotta Look Sharp!
So, Bruney as the EIGHTH INNING guy takes a hit. Drat! That's just more fodder for the Hughes-as-eigth-inning guy types.
 Nice Joe Jackson reference, Diane!
Fat Belly sweating
Mo''s darting knives weave to 9
I loathe Big Papi
I want a Dorito chip to block Fat Papi.
the length of this game is far more yankee like that all those 2 hour 40-50minute games they have been playing
heh ... Nostralarmis texts "THIS PLACE IS YS SOUTH!!!!"
 Bruney is recently off the DL and has little game time. It isn't a surprise that he'd be ineffective. The Yankees should be working Bruney back into his regular role, not holding him out for 8th inning leads of three runs or less. I know you think Girardi manages the bullpen well, but I think that's a holdover from last season. This year, I think he has been Torre-bad.
Acosta??? I barely knewa!
 The pace favors us, obviously!
Time is on our side.
If the Yankees tack on a bunch of runs, would you:
a] let Mo' finish--he needs the work.
b] pull him and save him so he can picth the next two days
c] leave Mo' in on a strict pitch count, so he gets some work.
d] But it's a SAVE no matter what the score is in the ninth
Frankie Floodgates, go get 'em!
 Hakuho is top of the mountain now! But his fellow Mongolian Harumafuji is on his tail..
 Youkilis' beard
bald head, at bat booty shake
my wife cries, "he's ugly"
Gardner was so safe
My predictions are never wrong
Brains changes season.
 Leave him in.
I'm not sure he can pitch the next two days even if they lift him now. The warm-up, the stress of those few pitches... dunno. And I wouldn't mind saving Robertson for tomorrow, for that matter -- sending him in for the ninth wastes him.
Boston, Toronto, Tampa all win tonight ...
 "C" but such that he can go the next two days... say 20-30 pitches, but no more.
 Wishful thinking, but I would go with (C). Girardi would definitely go with (D).
 Did you hear that Youk got into some kind of dust-up with Dusty?
It's difficult for RSN. When Youk fought with Manny, well, that was an easy one. Baaad Manny. But now it's Dusty! Oh Noes! What is happening here?
 I don't mind being asked to go back and re-read, but suggesting that I do so slowly certainly implies that I'm mentally deficient. That actually may be true and if it is, I wonder why all the conversation with me....
I am dead sure about Bob Lemon. The Yanks were 52-42 under Martin and 48-20 under Lemon. That's a big difference. Randolph missed most of the post-season with an injury (under Lemon) and I don't see significant time missed by the others starters under Martin. Catfish was HUGE down the stretch, so maybe that's the injury turnaround
Oh and of course, Reggie was suspended over a bunt while Martin was managing and that led to the famous "ones a liar the other's convicted" comment and resignation by Billy.
 Cervelli's home run trot could be the most exuberant free trots of all time.
Anderson didn't try to dive for that?
 Hakuho is a mountain...
Kenny's making a great point...this game feels more like a Braves loss than a Yankee win. Of course, many recent games have been Yankee losses as opposed to oponent wins. Still, it would be nice to walk away from a game thinking "now that's Yankee baseball"!
 He was a virgin.
Tomorrow: Malky gives the team base running lessons.
 wow that is a tough decision for rsn. dusty just might prevail.
Mo pitches the ninth?
Four outs to get . . . no big deal
Been sitting for week
 not holding him out for 8th inning leads of three runs or less.
I happen to think that a lead of three runs in the eighth is not (or should not be considered) particularly close. Otherwise, what you say makes some sense. As for Girardi's BP use, I still think he is light years better than Torre, but perhaps I am just biased, as you suggest. I certainly do not remember many particularly glaring tactical mistakes--at least as many as you do--but then I don;t pay as much attention, I guess.
In any case, my main point is that I hope Hughes does not get pigeon-holed as the eighth inning guy, and I equally hope we don;t have endure another year of debates about whether Hughes should be a starter or reliever.
 (e) Scratch your head saying, "So that's what an extra bunch of runs looks like"
I love the contact play there. Jeter has to find a way to stop hitting ground balls to SS in key spots. It is happening way too much.
 Lessons canceled.
The ankle must be healed.
melky taking third?
pigs seen flying overhead
braves fans question god
ok, *that* was my fault ...
 Change of program: base running lessons will be conducted by Derek Jeter.
I hope this isn't anomalous.
 I failed to include that. I meant to. Most dude are more deferential. Not like I care, though. Good for him. I'd be effin' psyched, too. : ) Holy smokes. A 2 out hit.
 those lessons were never scheduled
mp - what is a "bunch" of runs?
Excellent. Now I'm relaxed! Mo with three runs. Very, very nice.
a shot of JD
redeems a lacking inning
smooth warming feeling
Tex is good at baseball.
That was Ballsy. Nice. Where's Meacham"? Ha.
This is confusing.
On the Lemon/Matin issue, while the Yankees were somewhat injured early in 1978, every book I've read on the topic suggests the Yankees under Martin were the dysfunctional with a capital D.
i don't think i have ever seen mo hit
uh ... *I* don't wanna see Mo hit.
Robbie, I may give you shit often, but I won't if you make an out here ...
God created wood in hand
Pop out, Robinson.
Nothing like taking a celphone picture of Rivera's backside ...
Jeez, monkeypants, I didn't think it was going to be such a practical question you asked...
 Melk y was going on contact, which was likely a planned play. I think the contact play makes a lot of sense in that situation.
This could be the last time we see this.
Well, since he's up, he may as well swing form the shoelaces.
I am going on record now...Mo should be instructed to not swing the bat and do nothing more than slowly jog to each base.
CMW is cringing ....
 I wasn't really criticizing Melky. I just liked how the lines fit together )
We have a new DH!
holy hell - mo is just a great athlete -
Oh, man, that would have been sooooooo cool.
oh, Mo, forget what I said, thatwouldabeensweeeeeeeet!
what's this about having wood in one's hand?????
VERY nice cut from Mo, no?
"Miked Up" yells again,
"Gotta Get Mo out of there!"
Bronx Banter chortles...
 That was the firing that resulted in Billy saying that "One was a born liar, and the other is convicted," (about Reggie and George) right?
 have to admit, *that's* a hellofa line!
LOL @ Roll Call
Led by Thelarmis no doubt...
3 down on strikes now
there is no Mo but Mo, punks
Holy wow, Mo's cutter is moving what seems like a foot when it gets near the plate.
The last time I saw Mo bat was when the Yanks played in Philly a couple of years ago. They told Mo not to swing. He was supposed to keep the bat on his shoulder.
He ignored the instructions, and swung at every pitch. Hard.
maybe there's something to this 7 days off ....
Maybe a week off is what Mo needed.
Summertime roll on
Gas on Mo's fire relit
Hope springs eternal
Eh, it beats losing. : D
Ahhh ... Good things happen in Girardi's absence.
 Get out of my head!
It's payday and we finally won a game! Guinness will flow tonight, huzzah!
that was the BEST I've seen him throw in over a year ....
Ladies and gentlemen...
34 down on strikes now
there is no Mo but Mo, punks
ah - we needed that.
all praises to mo, nice end to a much better game.
Really vintage sweep on the cutter tonight!
Mo career 0-5, but only one strikout--he'd be among the best hitting pitchers in the NL, I bet.....sample size be damned!
I'll drink to that!
 I think it's why they won, but I am admittedly biased.
Cervix speaks better English than Sammy Sosa!
"Everybody is happy; everybody wants to play baseball."
 There is an Italian drawl to his Spanish...
"Everybody's happy. Everybody wants to play baseball. So, things happen."
- Francisco Cervelli
June 24 2009
awwwww ... i LOVE Frankie Brains
his voice is NOTHING like how I imagine him sounding.
He looks like a 'Dapper Dan' man and sounds like Jose Molina translated through Babblefish ...
My 2 cents:
Cano D (Would've been an F, but saved ups for Mo)
(FYI, only 2 grades on overall, A = Win, F = Loss)
 haha definitely.
  frankie c is a keeper - how can you not fall for that line?
 I know, I saw. It was just too good, huh? And you're right, the "So, things happen" does make it much better.
Loves me some Cervelli!
Thanks for brining us a "W" Will and Thelarmis!
 just remember, y'all can thank me later ...
don't worry, i'll remind you.
Hey yeah, I'm very happy for thelarmis, too! Excellent.
Buenas Noches, Francisco, y todos!
 Rich, you are correct...
I don't know how hurt the Yanks were under Martin in what I would call the first half of the year. Here's the list of starters and games played:
C Munson 154
1b chambliss 162
2B Randolph 134
SS Dent 123
3b Nettles 159
LF Pinella 130
CF Rivers 141
RF Jackson 139
OF Roy White 103
Looks like Munson, Chambliss and Nettles were healthy all year. Pinella may have missed time, but I suspect he also was splitting time with Roy White on occasion. Reggie missed at least 6 games from a suspension, and I know that Martin benched him a lot. I'll call him pretty healthy for 139 games. Rivers looks like (other than 5 assumed days off) he missed about 15 games. Dent missed closer to 40 and Randolph missed almost 30. I know Willie was injured and missed the post-season.
I don't see DL listings on Baseball reference, but I don't know that I really think the injuries were the driving force behind Martin being forced into resigning. I think it was the daily problems, the drinking, the fighting and George baiting him.
 You may be correct about the injuries. I based my statement on something I read in an older baseball history book (The Big Baseball Book), and also on recent statements by Guidry (from 2007):
''In '78, we had injuries early in the season, just like this team,'' Guidry said, mentioning Catfish Hunter and Don Gullett from the rotation, Graig Nettles and Willie Randolph from the infield, Mickey Rivers from the top of the lineup. ''There were times when it looked like we would never get it together.''
The DL didn't lead to Billy's firing, nor even the teams record (the worm had already started to turn and they had reached 10 over .500).
 Check that--the Ultimate Baseball Book.
i'm jus' gettin' back to my pad. looks like i've missed everyone. lookin' forward to reading thru the game thread. i imagine it was pretty morbid for the 1st half. roller coaster of a game, huh? i mean, they had a perfect game going for half of it. jeez!
it was awesome though. total sweat box, but everything was great. it was totally like Yankee Stadium South. we outnumbered the Braves fans - and out roared them - with veritable ease. it was soooo nice seeing Yankees garb ALL over the place!!! does my heart good.
there was roll call, "let's go yan-kees" cheers, and more throughout the entire game. the yanks really are rock stars! the tomahawk chop and ANY braves cheer, were drowned out immediately with pro-Yankee cheers! it was beautiful. braves fans just sat their asses down and shook their collective heads. there was no competing with us.
a fight broke out toward the end, field level on the 3rd base side. Chipper was actually watching it. he and jeter were all touchy-feely and paling around the first time Jeter reached. (sorry PJ). before the game, Johnny and Garrett Anderson (god, do i HATE that motherfucker!) had a pretty long chat in the outfield.
derek jeter got numerous standing ovations throughout the game, but the biggest was for Mo. i think i lost my voice when he strutted his patented jog from the bullpen. i sat right near the pen and went over to watch him him stretch. cool.
Aceves was prolly the warmest of all Yankees. both before and during the game, he interacted with fans and seemed to be truly enjoying it. he got Hughes' attention for me and i wished the kid a "happy birthday." he was nice enough, but didn't really care. Jorgie was sitting right there and i called his name and thanked him for everything. he was very kind, cordial and receptive. johnny had some fun with the fans later in the game when we took the lead.
i missed CC's warmups earlier in the afternoon, but i watched him shag flies and throw the ball back in. this just in: he's TALL as fuck!!! his throws looked nice, easy and strong. Wang made some catches (Mo made a nice one!), but was always by himself. no other players stood with him, talked to him or really even look his way. i felt bad. wish i knew how to say "hi" in taiwanese. he never acknowledged the crowd wanting a baseball.
frankie brains was pretty serious about his pre-game warmup routine, clout out in full shinguard regalia. Joba looked terrific. when he and Brains were playing long-toss before the game, Joba was on the track and the sun was in his eyes. he bailed out from a ball that wasn't even close to him. that's okay, hughes tried to throw a BP into centerfield and it hit the wall. oopsie! in joba's pre-game running, he jogged the track to the middle of CF and touched the 400 sign on the wall, then his forehead, and it appeared as if he uttered something to himself. is this his pre-game ritual, a la Rocket and the Babe's monument? if not, and it's new...it worked!
soooo cool to see Mo bat. well, kinda. i'm just glad he stayed in the game. his linedrive was pretty awesome and it really looked like it was gonna fall in. but i'm glad he didn't have to run the bases! he struck out all 4 men. i was sooo psyched!!!
brew-ney looks as skinny as i am. dave eiland signed more autographs than anyone. i thought that was odd.
tomorrow, i'm sitting in left-center. might bust out my old red daryl strawberry glove for BP. if i catch anything, i think it should go to ms. october!
my hands hurt from clapping so much, but it's a good hurt. i'm sure it'll be filled with Yankee fans tomorrow and i can't wait to go!
oh, i was too far away to see if Gritner was safe or out on the pickoff. i'm sure i'll find out here when i read the thread.
rock on, y'all and...
holy fuck, i wrote a freaking novel! sorry 'bout that, gang... : ~
btw, Turner Field, is a beautiful ballpark and a terrific place to see a game. sucks they doubled ALL the outside parking for this week, but you'll have that...
 All right man, great recap! Just back from a happy lunch here, is this what it's like for Pirates fans, feeling good after a rare good victory??
enjoy tomorrow night, will keep an eye out for a red-glove-wearing shaggy-haired musician type in the LF seats
 my hair is well-kempt and clean! it'll be back in a pony-tail and tomorrow i'll have a yankees hat on. glove is a maybe. let's call it a "game-time decision", haha!
np = monk w/ trane @ carnegie hall on BN !!!
 I have that but have not given a proper listen yet..maybe this evening after the game!
man, check this box score out, my dad just sent it to me.
oh, also - jeter looked VERY nonchalant during infield practice and BP. A-Rod was exactly the opposite. he sprinted hard and right before the game, he had Ramiro Pena play catch with him in front of the dugout. Alex's throws were bullets. A-Rod also hit a bomb in BP that landed just behind me. it ended up smacking two pairs of hands. that coulda been my career right there! yikes. i was told Joba hit one out in BP, too. he very well may have, but if he did, i missed it...
 hank aaron the only Brave w/ an OPS over .800!
i'm not listening properly either. just kinda casually, as i catch up w/ emails and baseball news. there's a pretty full libretto. i'll need to read along and listen intently pretty soon.
did you see the pitchers lines? Spahn and Maracial both threw 15+ innings! How is that even possible???
A-Rod gets so much flak for his personal life but he is always trying 100%..Jeter romps with many more models and gets a pass...the power of 4 rings...
Dammit... missed another good one..
 yeah man, i didn't come straight home after the game, so i missed the Banters' post-game show! hopefully i'll catch it tomorrow.
i still haven't read tonight's thread. will do so in a few minutes, before i go to bed...
 Just a sick, sick box score. 15+ IP by both SP. And won on a HR by Willie. Classic. Just amazing. It's really a different game now. The truth is offense sells. The pitchers mound was lowered in the late 60's because offense was so poor, but that's not the issue now. I have thought for a while the mound should be raised back again, although this: http://tinyurl.com/ksscex might be a reason not to.
That box score did remind me that pitchers battles were pretty common in the 60's. And while admirable, in truth, they were a bit boring. I can remember 3 run leads being insurmountable.
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