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Yanks haven’t played their best ball lately. They’ve got Cliff Lee to deal with tonight.

Hang tough, fellas. Go git ’em.

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1 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 7:56 pm

Hey.... the Tiggers actually beat TB. Even a broken clock....

2 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:03 pm

Ug.... 7:00 PM in Texas and only 99 degrees on the field.

It seems Mighty Mouse's little hoof has healed, and he is slated to be back in the Sox lineup on Wednesday.

3 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:04 pm

looks crazy hot down there, poor kim jones was schvitzin like a pig.

4 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:06 pm

[3] Kim doesn't schvitz, she glistens.

5 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:12 pm

I'm eating an ice cream sandwich.

6 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:16 pm

Fuck Texas

7 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:18 pm

Evening folks!

8 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:20 pm

47 straight games without an error for Jeter ... but how many chances did he handle, and how many didn't he reach?

(context, Kay .... context)

9 Eirias   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:20 pm

Stuff and great command! Scylla and Charybdis!

10 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:21 pm

fuck. and to make matters worse i have to see w and laura all fucking night long.

11 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:23 pm

That off speed pitch to Vlad was funny! Vinny Padilla funny.

12 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:23 pm

[8] errors are a bs stat, but the fact that jeter basically doesn't fuck up the balls he does get to is not meaningless.

13 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:27 pm

hopefully granderson re-doing his swing pays-off. does seem to be a tricky thing to pull off mid-season though.

14 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:28 pm

damn po is just missing.

15 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:31 pm

[14] Cliff Lee is just missing bats.

16 Eirias   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:31 pm

I sat Cliff Lee so I could root against him. The worst of all possible outcomes is occurring.

17 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:31 pm

That dude is going to look very good in pinstripes.

18 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:35 pm

[11] You sound like Jazz Jr when I do my Yankee victory dance

19 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:37 pm

Texas announcers saying Young's HR was the shortest ever at Texas ballpark.

20 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:43 pm

So I guess Posada isn't cranky anymore? As suspected, Girardi was just trying to alibi for an awful decision. I'd love to hear what Posada really thinks about it.

21 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:45 pm

Lee has a career ERA+ of 114. Seems like it should be higher, although in his first 6 years, his ERA+ was around 100. Wonder what he did to turn things around so radically....

22 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:48 pm

[21] EST?

23 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:49 pm

[21] Hard work, prayer, positive attitude...that's my guess.

24 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:49 pm

[21] Not sure wha he had done, but it really kicked in starting with 2008. The Yankees look like have no chance despite the fact that it seems as if he is simply throwing the ball right over the plate. It's really an incredible story.

25 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:51 pm

Looks like te Red Sox are taking advantage of the life line the Yankees gave them on Monday. If the Yankees don't wake up soon, we are going to have the three team race everyone envisioned.

26 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:51 pm

[20] William, to answer a question from a thread or three ago: I did some searching, and yes, it appears that in 1994 RC Cola took over from Coke as the official sodie-pop of Yankee Stadium. I'm not sure for how long, though my memory tells me it was only for a couple of years. I don't have any pictures, but this article confirms things:


27 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:51 pm

[21] Must of gone to the crossroads.

28 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:53 pm

[26] I hated RC so much, I can't believe I forgot that, especially since 1994 was the first year I had a season plan.

29 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:55 pm

Thats a solid looking ball girl.

30 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:56 pm

[24] Lee's magical transformation into Cy Nolan Maddox in 2008 is what makes me oddly skeptical of signing him to the mega-contract that he will command. I'm just not convinced that a guy who suddenly becomes the best pitcher on the planet, for two years, at age 29-30 is a particularly safe bet going forward. Is he a flash in the pan? Is he enjoying an extreme peak?

I know I'm not being very rational, but I get a bad, bad feeling about him going forward.

31 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 8:57 pm

Apparently RC had a significant presence at the Stadium. From a NYT article in 1994:

"SIGNAGE UPDATE The best thing about the odious rotating sign behind home plate at Yankee Stadium was how it got stuck for most of Friday's game on the RC Cola sign. What? No rotating sign repair man on site?"

Another article confirms that RC's reign was a short two years as Coca Cola took over again in 1996.

32 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:00 pm

[30] That was the main reason I didn't want to part with Montero, but in retrospect not getting Lee seems as if it has turned the Yankees from a prohibitive World Series favorite to merely a contender.

33 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:00 pm

This might be a sensitive subject, but is it normal for a player to miss two games when their wife has a baby (assuming the delivery had no complications)?

34 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:04 pm

[33] Yeah, I'm not sure. Maybe these days teams are more lax about these things. But you would think that with charter flights instead of trains and buses, it would be easier for the new daddy to rejoin the team more quickly.

I'm not gonna pass judgment on Teix or the Yankees, but let's just say that I was back to work pretty quickly.

35 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:05 pm

Damn that Thames...he should have knocked over the catcher!

36 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:05 pm

Lee sucks.

37 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:06 pm

Yay! Arod worked the count and got one, but last year that would have been HR.

38 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:06 pm

My wife just said, "Cliff Lee, eat your shorts."

39 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:06 pm

[33] Buchholz had a start two days after his first child was born. (Against us.)

40 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:07 pm

[34] When you are being paid like Tex, I would think their would be some impetus to not miss an extended period of time, especially when one game could be the difference between making the playoff and not, which for the Yankees is a multi-million dollar proposition.

But, if the Yankees allow him the time, I can't blame Tex for taking it.

41 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:07 pm


That's one of the (many) reasons you married her, right AB?

42 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:09 pm

[37] 2010 = sad.

43 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:09 pm

Ball has not been bouncing the Yankees way lately.

44 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:10 pm

[42] No, he means last year the wind was blowing out toward dead center. Remember?

45 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:10 pm

[34][40] Yikes, you guys would fit in well with the bosses over here..only in the last year has "paternity leave" come into existence, and it took the governor of one prefecture to take a week off to set an example..

Teix will play 200 games in his career, mayb ewill have two or three kids. He should stay home as long as he can..

46 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:11 pm

[45] that should be "2000 games"...d'oh!

47 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:11 pm

[45] He's going to play 200 games in his career? Do you know something we don't know?

48 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:12 pm

I should have known you'd beat me to that one. The time difference gives you a huge advantage.

49 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:13 pm

[45] I think you have to make the distinction between professional athletes and the "real world". Again, the Yankees are paying Tex $20 million per season. If they don't make the playoffs, it cost them close to $100 million. I don't think it would be unfair if the Yankees only allowed him one game, again assuming there were no complications.

50 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:13 pm

[45] I had a plenty generous paternity leave, but I chose to decline it because I also felt an obligation to my job (especially the students enrolled in my course...missing a chunk of the team pretty much blows up the class). I don't begrudge Teix for taking as much time as he can. On the other hand, his job is such that he *could* get back to work quickly and still spend a good deal of time with the family.

51 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:13 pm

[48] That's right, I'm Jazz McFly hanging with Doc Brown-sensei..wait till I tell you who will be president in 2040...

52 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:14 pm

[44] The wind was blowing out, if. ; )

53 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:15 pm

Perhaps the Yanks can include a "marital relations" clause in their player contracts .... no baby-making during the months of May-January.

54 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:15 pm

Vazquez has to avoid three ball counts.

55 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:16 pm

damn hamilton is crushing damn near everything.
it didn't really matter then, but gardner's throws are ass awful sometimes.

56 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:16 pm

[51] That explains the DeLorean!
[52] That's my favorite tense. Er, mood.

57 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:17 pm

I just can't believe that on the entire interwebs I can't find a decent picture of Yankee Stadium 1994 or 1995, with a damn RC Cola sign visible.

Yeah, I am obsessive as well.

58 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:18 pm

[55] ms october! only one thing to say to you: "tap dancing".... got to love Nascar! :)

59 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:18 pm

Oh, man, this is really dumb.

60 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:19 pm

[58] yep, unreal. btw your man zeke is not getting the knicks job after all.

61 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:20 pm

perhaps this isn't as a big of a concern in mlb, but i used to really dread going back too far in the outfield while playing ss to get popups because of all the near collisions.

62 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:20 pm

Give Tex a break. It is after all his third child, and he had to go to Canada to get the Cubans to pass around the team in KC.

63 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:22 pm

This is hideous.

64 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:22 pm

IBBs suck.

65 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:23 pm

[61] I have played and still play 2B and love going out like Cano for pop ups!

He gets ahead of Molina and then nibbles his way to a walk. Very hard to win pitching like that.

66 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:23 pm

Walking Molina, ugh-lee

67 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:23 pm

[60] Wise move..he can get back in the league one day as a head scout am sure..but now with the Knicks!

C'mon Javy, this is huge here...

68 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:23 pm

fuck, of course that happened.

69 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:24 pm


70 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:24 pm

I guess we really do miss Tex, as evidenced there.

71 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:24 pm

Mark, thanks for being a dad, please come back.

72 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:24 pm

Looks like the old IBB with two outs in the fourth damn inning didn't work out. Good to see Girardi put his stamp on the game early.

I've said it before, but if the Yankees are relying on Javy to pitch in the post season, they're in huge trouble.

73 Shaun P.   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:25 pm

I was just about to post, in response to RI's [64], that it was the IBB that got Javy into some more trouble on Friday night, and now he's doing it again?

And then 2 runs score. Aiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeee . . .

74 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:26 pm

[65] i hope your cf and rf give you space!

75 Shaun P.   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:27 pm

[72] I forget where, but someone pointed out that CC just had a kid not long ago, and now Tex - and early August is about nine months from early November (i.e., just after the Serious win) . . .

Can't blame 'em in that light, right?

76 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:27 pm


77 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:28 pm

[74] They've learned. The one time I backed off a play, the ball wound up bouncing off the CF'er head into my glove anyway, so I guess they figure they might as well just let me catch it the normal way.

78 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:29 pm

[72] i actually think Javy is pitching well tonight, save that walk to Molina. The HR was flukey, and those last two runs were scored by a bouncer an inch or two from Berkman's glove, and Tex prolly would have gotten there.

79 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:30 pm

Meanwhile, in Milwaukee

Diamondbacks 4th
Dave Bush pitching:
Justin Upton : Foul, Strike swinging, Upton flied out to right.
Adam LaRoche : Strike looking, Ball, Ball, Ball, Foul, Foul, Foul, LaRoche homered to right.
Miguel Montero : Ball, Foul, Strike swinging, Montero homered to right.
Mark Reynolds : Foul, Ball, Reynolds homered to left center.
Stephen Drew : Ball, Drew homered to right.

80 RIYank   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:30 pm

[78] And the Murphy run belongs to Girardi. Because Girardi put him on base.

81 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:33 pm

Gardner has completely reverted back to his take pitches down the middle phase...not good for the Yankees.

82 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:34 pm

[79] That's good! The Yankees aren't the last team to have 4 homers in a row off of them anymore.
That ended Chase Wright's time in the majors.

83 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:35 pm

[77] that's good.

this is the painful gardner that i was not too fond of last year. hopefully he can snap out of it.

84 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:35 pm

Looks like the Yankees are heading for a 4-8 record against this recent stretch against good teams. They'd better go to town over the next 12 games against the Royals, Tigers and Mariners.

85 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:36 pm

[81] FWIW, Gameday had strikes two and three right on the corner and just off the plate respectively. Strike one was, however, more or less down the middle.

86 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:37 pm

[45] This is Teix's 3rd child, so what's the big deal? Yeah, at $23m/yr he should get 2 days off.... one now and one when the kid is 16.

87 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:38 pm

The shame is we have been getting some decent pitching. We just have the score truck up on blocks.

88 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:38 pm

So now the Sox will only be four out.


89 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:39 pm

Hopefully it works out in the long run, but not getting Lee could wind up being the story of this season. After CC, the Yankees really do not have a reliable starter (at least until Pettitte proves he is healthy).

90 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:39 pm

[88] William, there's your cue.

91 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:40 pm

[88] And they can thank GM Girardi for falling a sleep in that seventh inning, because if the Yankees had tried to win the game there, their season could have been over.

92 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:41 pm

I guess Javy's arm is still dead.

93 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:42 pm

[78] I might have spoken too soon.

94 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:43 pm


95 The Hawk   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:43 pm

I could see Posada was waiting too long before that even happened. What was A Rod doing?

96 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:43 pm

Good old Jorge. His complete decline in catching skills has really been drastic.

97 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:44 pm

Can Montero execute a rundown?

98 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:44 pm

That rundown failure is a little league miscue. When does that ever happen?

99 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:44 pm

wtf was alex doing there?

100 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:44 pm

[95] What did Arod do wrong?

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101 Raf   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:44 pm

Great, I come in to see a botched rundown...

102 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:45 pm

Good night.

103 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:46 pm

[100] standing in the middle of the play with his arms up didn't help the situation.

oh great, the sme commences!

104 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:46 pm

The Yankees are unraveling.

105 Raf   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:46 pm

[95] Nothing. Looks like he tried to deke the runner.

106 The Hawk   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:46 pm

[100] I don't know; it looked weird. I'm seriously asking

107 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:47 pm

Posada is getting hard to watch.

108 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:47 pm

Well, the silver lining for me is that if the Yankees do free fall out of the post season, Girardi will be managing in Chicago.

109 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:48 pm

nice throw swish.

110 Raf   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:49 pm

Thanks, Nellie Cruz

111 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:49 pm

[103] Are you experienced? Have you ever been experienced?

112 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:50 pm

Montero is doing very well at AAA for his age (.855 OPS after a 3 for 4 day), but I don't think he's ready for April 2011.

Nice throw by Swisher! (Too little to late).

113 The Hawk   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:51 pm

I can't read too much into this game. Texas has a true ace on the mound, and the Yanks have god knows what. I don't think losing this game is indicative of the whole season. Even if they'd been rolling along lately, this probably would be the same.

114 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:51 pm

[112] I'd like to find out if he is ready. He can't be a worse a defender than Jorge and can't be a worse hitter than Cervelli.

115 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:52 pm

I get that the infamous run-down is scored a FC, but I don't understand why the official scorer cannot give an error on a the botched rundown. Wouldn't Posada's very late throw constitute a failure to make a play, which resulted in giving up an out?

116 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:53 pm

[113] Losing to Lee is alarming, but the way they have played over the last 12 games is. Also, the continued unreliability of Vazquez and Burnett are a major concern.

117 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:53 pm

[111] yes, i am experienced, and i consider myself quite unlucky to have experienced that experience.

118 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:54 pm

[115] Maybe the official scorer was thinking that as long as Posada didn't rifle the ball down the line, he did the best he could do.

119 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:58 pm

By the way, did anyone else see the story on LoHud about Kevin Long completely reworking Granderson's swing? I am not sure that's what the Yankees expected when they acquired him.

120 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:58 pm

It's not an error on Posada... but a SIASD
(Stupid Is As Stupid Does).

121 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 9:59 pm

[118] OK. It's just the Texas announcers made it sound like the scorer *could* not assign anything beyond a FC (like a you can't assume a DP sort of thing). I assume that it is allowed under the scorer rules to give an error, even if the scorer will tend to give the fielder the benefit of the doubt on a non-play.

122 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:00 pm

[118] RAB claims that Grandy approached Long, not the other way around.

123 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:00 pm

[122] was for [119]

124 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:00 pm

[121] It is allowed, and it should have been scored an error. Unfortunately, scoring in baseball is so disorganized that it really makes you wonder.

125 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:01 pm

[119] yeah, i posted about it earlier when i was talking to myself :}
it seems drastic, but i guess granderson's statement that it can't get much worse is sort of true too. i guess long thought he could make minor adjustments with granderson but evidently that wasn't enough.

126 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:02 pm

[122] Right...wasn't suggesting Long intervened, but either way, relearning how to hit in August during a pennant race kind of makes the trade look like a big mistake in retrospect.

127 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:02 pm

I may be wrong, but Alex does not look like he is keeping his head on the ball. Pulling off... and also trying to pull outside pitches. Anyone notice how many balls recently he has rolled over to SS?

128 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:03 pm

kind of makes the trade look like a big mistake in retrospect.

Indeed! And some of us thought it was a big mistake from the start...

129 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:03 pm

Right now, the Yankees are a team with only 5 players consistently peforming on a high level: Sabathia, Mariano, Cano, Swisher and Tex. If that doesn't change, the Yankees are not going to make the playoffs.

130 The Hawk   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:04 pm

[126] I think his numbers speak for themselves ... If he wants to try and fix himself, that's fine with me. The trade looked bad before this latest development.

131 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:05 pm

[127] You keep coming back to Alex, but he is the only hitter who has driven the ball in this series. The Yankees problems run much deeper than Arod. Having said that, yes, Alex does look as if he is pulling a little more than normal.

132 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:06 pm

[130] I agree...regardless of this latest development, the numbers don't like. However, it does say something about the Yankees player evaluation skills that they couldn't pickup on the fact that Granderson's swing was in need of an overhaul. After all, if the swing was fine, they wouldn't be reworking it, regardless of his struggles.

133 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:12 pm

[132] This assumes that his swing this year is the same as it was in previous seasons, which is what the Yankees would have looked at. It is possibly that Granderson has developed some new quirk, or in frustration he has tried to compensate in some way that has led to more bad habits, etc.

134 The Hawk   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:13 pm

[132] That is true about their evaluation. But he was trending the wrong way; they must have thought there was something they could adjust. Maybe not to this extent though.

Either way, it seems like some people - perhaps including some on the Yankees staff - expect joining the mighty Yankees to act as some kind of magical elixir and it just doesn't always work out that way.

135 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:14 pm

[131] I shouldn't expect more from ARod? His OPS is under .820, and he is on track for only about 26 HRs. I like the guy.... but he is our star, and when his OPS is well more then 100 pts below expectations, it really hurts the team. Coupled with Jeter's .730 OPS we are losing a LOT of output.

136 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:16 pm

[133] Long's quote seems to indicate that it isn't a new problem, but one they ignored because of the success he has had. Of course, we all know Granderson's trend was down heading into this season, so perhaps that should have been a red flag when combined with Long's assessment that his swing had "length".

"He’s had length to his swing for a long, long time. He’s been an all-star with length to his swing, but we’ve both decided at this point we want to shorten it as much as we can.” - Long on LoHud

137 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:18 pm

"In play, no out"..then Gameday froze!! what happeend??

138 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:18 pm

[135] You should, but the irony with Arod is that while he isn't compiling as much, he does seem to be getting more than his fair share of big hits. Again, I agree that the Yankees need more from Arod, but he is down the list of problems.

139 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:18 pm

damn kearns would have scored if not for the gr double.

140 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:19 pm

Squeeze! :)

141 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:19 pm

[136] But even that quote indicates that Grandy's swing is not the same as the swing they evaluated and based their trade on: it has gotten worse.

In any case, I'm not defending the trade: I criticized it at the time, and all anyone needed to do was look at his career numbers and especially the trend over the last few seasons. The warning signs were right there in the stats, without looking at a single swing!

142 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:19 pm

[139] True, but that ball probably should have been caught.

143 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:19 pm

[137] berkman got a ground rule double - 1 run scored; runners at 2nd, 3rd 1 out

144 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:20 pm

[141] I don't read the implication that it has gotten worse. Where do you see it?

145 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:20 pm

[140] Why not? Seriously, if they get even just one run here and leave the inning down 6-4 v. Lee (at 100+ pitches), they've given themselves a real shot.

146 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:20 pm

Really cooled off... only 95 degrees now.

147 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:22 pm


148 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:22 pm

No more Lee! Me likey!

149 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:22 pm

OK.... where did everyone go?

150 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:23 pm

[143] Nice, cuaght up now. Go Go Team!!

151 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:23 pm

if nothing else, nice to see them get 4 runs off lee.

152 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:23 pm

[144] but we’ve both decided at this point

I had read his quote as meaning: "yeah, he's always had a long swing, we knew that, but it's gotten worse and at this point we have decided to do something."

I probably am reading too much into things.

153 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:23 pm

How many pitches before Gardner goes? Is it even worth the risk with a runner on third? Normally, I'd say no, but Jeter has been such a ground ball machine this year.

154 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:24 pm

[152] It could be. I read it more as, "he swing was always long, but it seemed to work in the past. It isn't anymore, so we've decided to rework it".

Either way, let's hope Long works his magic.

155 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:25 pm

[149] Brett "The Singularity" Gardner caused a rift in the space-time continuum. The question is not "where did everyone go" but rather "when did we go?"

156 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:26 pm

[141] You are right about his trend.
Would you take a chance on this guy and his last 3 years?
.254 .372 .493 .865
.262 .381 .455 .836
.219 .332 .410 .742

157 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:26 pm

[153] It's too bad Berkman is so slow. With any speed on third they might not even bother trying to get Gardner at second.

158 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:26 pm


159 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:27 pm

good for gardner - maybe that will kick start him running again.

160 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:28 pm

[156] I would be willing to take a chance on such a player, but at the cost of (at the time) the top (or second top) position player in the farm system and absorbing his costly contract, which really balloons after this season.

161 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:28 pm

Come on Jeter! Stop swinging out of the zone.

162 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:28 pm

Jesus Derek! Terrible pitch!

163 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:29 pm

god damnit, another k.

164 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:29 pm

That's been Jeter's problem all season. He has lost his plate discipline. What a crucial strikeout. Jeter is simply not the same player any more.

165 ms october   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:29 pm

cousin oliver time.

166 Shaun P.   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:29 pm

I hear the Score Truck's horn a honkin' "Swish Swish Swish"!

167 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:30 pm

[160] You probably know it, but that's Swisher before coming here. Just saying a 3 year 'trend' doesn't always tell the story in a youngish player.

168 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:31 pm

He'd never do it, and neither would I, but the best Yankee lineup has Jeter batting at the end of the order. He has arguably been their worst offensive regular.

169 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:31 pm

[156] Now, trading a spare part like Wilson Betemit and paying a modest salary for a player expected only to be a backup, who then blossoms into a star..yeah, for that cost I'd take a chance on that trend.

170 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:31 pm

[164] That was ugly. Is he pressing in this contract year? I've never seen him swing at so many bad pitches.

171 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:33 pm

[170] I thought that earlier in the year, but as time as passed, it just looks as if his bat speed has diminished so severely that he now starts his swing earlier.

172 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:34 pm

Agreed that losing AJax was painful. At 23, he is currently at: .305 .353 .407 .760 - 103 OP+... which is pretty good. He does have 118 Ks, which is pretty scary for one so young.

173 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:34 pm

[167] Again, you have to consider the COST and the EXPECTATIONS when evaluating risk. They got Swish for nothing, paid him little, expected him to be a backup for Nady, and his "trend" was two pretty similar years followed by one really bad year.

That is not really comparable to Grandersons three year trend, which showed across the board decline. And he cost a pretty big prospect at the time. And he was expected to be the starting CF for years to come, not a back up. And his contract was scheduled to go way up after his first season in pinstripes.

174 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:34 pm

[170] I remember watching Ripken near the end..SS in their late 30s, not a long list that are still bringing the "O"..

175 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:34 pm

Not scoring at least another run is devestating. Jeter's and Swisher's at bats were just awful. This team just isn't very good right now, and it's hard to see how they get much better.

176 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:34 pm

Fuck! Jeter is killing us. A bunt there might have been nice.

177 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:36 pm

Are the Yankees striking out more than usual lately?

178 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:36 pm

[176] Joe Maddon and I agree with you.

179 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:36 pm

[172] Why are so many strikeouts scary for a young player? Isn't that to be expected, with the K rate dropping as the player grows into his offensive prime?

Or put another way, how is it significantly more scary than a player who had these K totals: 174, 141, 111, 141 at age 25-28.

180 Shaun P.   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:38 pm

[172] I'd say its scary for someone with so little power (.102 IsoP, 1 HR).

I'd also say that his insanely high .422 BABIP (according to b-r.com) is why he's hitting over .300. Even if you knock that down to the .350 range, all of a sudden you've got a guy hitting what, in the .250s with a .300 OBP?

Its way too early to say that losing Jackson was a bad thing.

181 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:38 pm

[176] Jeter is killing them, except for his two base hits and two runs scored earlier in the game.

182 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:40 pm

[180] I agree: in the end, Jackson may not pan out. I'm just saying that at the time of the trade I would not have swapped one of the organizations top position prospects for a player who was trending downward and was expected to play a key position.

183 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:41 pm

[177] Yes. They have K'ed in double digits in 7 of the last 10 games. Before that, they had only K'ed 10 or more times in 10 games.

184 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:41 pm

The reason for bringing in Wood was what?

185 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:42 pm

[182] Especially if that top prospect could have been used for, say, Cliff Lee.

186 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:42 pm

Captain Defense!

187 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:44 pm

Well, that obviously blew chunks.

And we have to listen to the fucking piece of human excrement that is Sutcliffe - thanks for parroting that line of utter horse shit that was the Texas GM's PR blast on getting Lee.

Riiiiiiight. Because the Yankees didn't get Lee because of the Yankee Tax. And because Smoak was soooooo much more MLB ready than Montero. Smoak was ready to suck. I guess that's ready to do something.

I gotta bite on this one, though - how did Girardi lose the game in the 7th against the Red Sox?

I was watching on mute, at the gym, so maybe I missed something.

What I remember was a perfect confluence of horrors being responsible for what happened there.

I remember these factors conspiring:

Curtis at the plate against a strong Lefty, with absolutely no righty bat to go to off the bench. They were all in the game. And Berkman's last at bat notwithstanding, we were led to believe Berkman from the right side only by necessity. No one else to go to, unless I forgot someone. Now, Granderson has been so futile, that I actually wondered to myself about pinch hitting Ramiro Pena. Which is an absurd thought.

Jorge at third. It's always fucking Posada at third in these spots, it seems. Which means you can't really pull a squeeze of either variety, because Jorge is so slow that he's a dead duck at third.

Kalish not catching the ball - you ask me, that's where the game died. If Kalish catches that ball, it's a totally different story. He's going into the stands - runner from third scores, runner from second goes to third with only one out. I cursed him for not making a spectacular catch. Because it would have been a dumb one.

There were a few other factors that weren't in our favor in that spot, but my brain just fogged up and I'm tired of typing.

But can someone tell me what obvious move Girardi didn't make in the 7th of that game? I'd like to know.

188 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:45 pm

[171] Strangely, I've recently seen Jeter be right on a number of very hard throwers. Which surprised me.

189 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:46 pm

Why is Thames batting here and not Granderson?

190 Raf   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:46 pm

[160] Yeah, but Jackson hasn't been doing so hot himself

191 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:46 pm

[189] ummmmm....forget I wrote that please

192 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:47 pm

I really like Marcus Thames. I hope they bring him back next year.

193 Raf   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:47 pm

[189] I think your question has been answered :D

194 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:47 pm

[189] but perhaps I should write it for the next hitter.

195 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:47 pm

Thames has easily been Cashman's best acquisition this season.

If only the Captain had managed a ground ball to 2B (said in John Sterling's voice).

196 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:47 pm

Why is Rodriguez batting here and not Granderson?

197 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:47 pm

Uh oh, I see a lot of stats and sarcasm tonight. Should I even bother tonight or should I wait til tomorrow?

198 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:48 pm

[189] [191] I believe the answer to your question can be put succinctly:


199 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:48 pm

[189] Granderson is relearning how to hit, and he isn't done with his classes yet.

200 Raf   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:48 pm

[197] Join in on the fun, you know you wanna :)

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201 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:49 pm

[189] [196] oh well.

202 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:49 pm

[197] Hard to say, because you just can't predict baseball...blog threads.

203 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:49 pm

[187] Sutcliffe...perfect example of why ex-players should go to broadcasting school before getting on the air..I heard i think it was E. Karros on mlb.tv yesterday..couldn't get through 45 secs before shutting it off..

Go Go Thames!

204 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:50 pm

If they are going to come up short again, they could have had the decency to just roll over at 6-1. The annoying thing about all of these close losses has been there have been so many decisions that could have made the difference.

205 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:51 pm

Why is Cano batting here and not Granderson?

206 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:51 pm

[187] I was watching on mute, at the gym, so maybe I missed something.

Surely you meant moot, sir... >;)

207 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:52 pm

That AB is why Cano has the chance to be a really great player over the next 5+ years.

208 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:53 pm

Shouldn't Cervelli be hitting here?

209 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:53 pm

[203] what they really need to do is make all the TV and radio guys listen to Scully, Harwell, Barber, Allen, etc., and then hold guns to their heads and remind them to be like Scully, Harwell, Barber, Allen, etc., when they get too much like the Hawk, Mike Shannon (absolutely shitty), Buck, McCarver, Miller, Morgan and the dreaded Chris Berman

210 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:54 pm

[208] or Pena.

211 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:54 pm

Strike zone has been awful tonight.

212 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:55 pm

[209] Hawk is SO bad it's actually funny. Can't stand Berman though..was that schtick EVER funny?

Who does Mike Shannon work for?

2-run tater for Jorge Po here, i call it!

213 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:56 pm

Why is Posada batting here and not Granderson?

214 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:56 pm

[200] "Yeah Homer, room or one more!"

215 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:56 pm

Holy Shit... that looked like a strike.

216 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:57 pm

Does Maddux dye his facial hair?

217 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:57 pm

So so so VERY nice to see guys work walks.

218 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:57 pm

First positive thing for Jorge tonight.

219 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:57 pm

[212] Shannon is the Cards announcer. You guys think Sterling is bad, but y'all don't know diddly. Shannon literally cheers, to wit:

"Did he get enough!!!!!!!??? Did he get enough!!!!!!!??? DID HE GET ENOUGH!!!!>???!?!!!?!!......HOME RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hooray for your team!!!"

220 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:58 pm

[212] [219] Oh and he says, "come on baby....get out....GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!! YAY!"

221 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:58 pm

PR for Posada?

I'm listening on the computer, which has a pretty good delay, so I apologize if this question is already "mute".

222 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:59 pm

Why is Kearns batting here and not Granderson?

223 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:59 pm

I like how Kay corrected himself with "sharp single to left"

224 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 10:59 pm

[216] No it's fake....he's actually his brother Greg.

225 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:00 pm

There has to be a better term for what Teixeira is doing than "maternity leave"

226 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:01 pm

holy shit, Kearns is a slow poke

227 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:01 pm

[223] Well, he does do a lot of animal-based charity work...

228 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:01 pm


229 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:01 pm

I feel sick.

230 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:01 pm

Wow...I can't believe he was swinging there. This is just not a smart team from the manager on down.

231 Raf   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:02 pm

I woulda taken there, since Francisco's having such a hard time throwing strikes

232 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:02 pm

So I didn't see Javy pitch. Did someone tell him this was a big game or something?

233 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:02 pm

Who is this Kearns guy, and why is messing things up?

234 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:03 pm

[225] "Rocking the cradle"?

235 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:03 pm

[226] Paternity leave?

236 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:04 pm

I wonder if eveyone in the clubhouse is ok with Teixeira taking two days? I can't recall another playing taking that many days. You could easily make the argument that his presence would have made the difference in either or both of these games.

237 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:04 pm

[235] oops, really for [225]

238 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:04 pm

FWIW, Gameday had the last pitch to Kearns pretty much right in the middle of the plate, a little to the inside. Not exactly a BP pitch, but it's hard to complain about him swinging at a cookie on a 3-1 count.

239 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:04 pm

[235] No, that's how you end up with single moms...

240 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:06 pm

[237] Yett it still makes sense.

241 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:06 pm

[206] Ha!

So, anyone with an answer on how Girardi, not the Yanks simply not coming through, was responsible for the 7th inning against the Red Sox?

In more recent news, I cannot fucking stand Sutcliffe.

Robbie Cano "doesn't run well." Mitre into the rotation would be a "good idea."

This follows on the heels of the last ESPN telecast, which was quite possibly the single worst telecast I have seen in recent memory. And we crushed in that game, so I wasn't even in a bad mood.

But it was pathetic. I heard inaccuracy after inaccuracy, layered on top of preposterous statement after preposterous statement.

No new news, but ESPN is a FUCKING DISGRACE.

Why? Because every single guy in that booth - and Miller may have been worse than Morgan, last Sunday - and that is quite a fucking accomplishment - DOES NO FUCKING RESEARCH. NONE. NOT A SHRED OF PREGAME WORK.

It's inexcusable. Every person at that network should kill himself or herself in shame.

242 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:08 pm

[241] I think i would beat Cano in a footrace.

243 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:09 pm

[241] Somebody must like ESPN, because they account for nearly ALL of the profits for Disney last quarter.

244 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:10 pm

You cant fry an egg at 111 degrees. Kay is a moron.

245 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:10 pm

Kay declares Wood the Yankees best trade deadline acquisition.


I guess so?

246 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:11 pm

[243] Toy Story 3 will be for this quarter.

247 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:11 pm

The Yankees have been having Wood throw a lot of pitches.

248 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:12 pm

[242] No. No you wouldn't. I used to say that I would beat Posada in a footrace. But that was two years ago, and sadly, may not even be true anymore.

Cano isn't the fastest player on the team, but he is far from slow. Going first to third, scoring from second on a hit - he may not be Gardner, but I find your evaluation odd.

249 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:13 pm

[243] Apparently they use exponents when tallying the New England region...

250 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:14 pm

i fear that somehow, it will come down to Arod.

251 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:14 pm

Three of Wood's five highest pitch totals this season have been with the Yankees

252 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:15 pm

[247] TMI!!!

253 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:15 pm

Still would like an answer on what obvious move Girardi didn't make in the 7th against the Red Sox.

254 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:15 pm

How many pitches did Feliz throw last night?

255 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:16 pm

Berkman, Gardner and Jeter...that trio against Feliz doesn't inspire much confidence. For two games, Francisco tried so hard to give the game to the Yankees, but they just wouldn't take it. Too bad.

256 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:17 pm

[254] Only 21.

257 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:18 pm

[256] Ick.

258 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:20 pm

Great AB by Berkman. You have to run with Granderson now.

Anyone think Berkman brought a losing virus over from Houston?

259 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:20 pm


If Granderson doesn't run...

260 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:20 pm

If Gardner bunts, it has to be a drag.

261 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:21 pm

PR for Berkman, right? Right?

OK, Grandy had better be going early.

262 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:21 pm


263 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:21 pm

[258] You might be on to something. I don't trust anything right away that comes from Texas.

264 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:21 pm

Molina might be a deterent. I wouldn't mind a hit and run here.

265 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:22 pm


266 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:23 pm

Berkman couldn't do this?

267 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:25 pm


268 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:25 pm

[241] "It’s inexcusable. Every person at that network should kill himself or herself in shame."

Hahaha...I'd settle for Jon Miller putting a gun in his mouth during a sunday night broadcast.

269 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:26 pm

Imagine if Granderson was on second for that?

270 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:26 pm

hi team.

home in time to hopefully see us tie...and win.

nice. i wish grandy had stolen 2nd...

double steal!!

271 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:26 pm

Gritner! For the love of God can we actually please score just one run????

272 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:26 pm

Sad to say, but I think you have to bunt with Jeter. I just don't see him doing much more than grounding out against Feliz.

273 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:26 pm



I like Jon Miller.

274 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:26 pm

um, that's gardner, not berkman.

i'm guessing it's a good thing i missed an entire game listening to Sut...

275 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:26 pm

[269] According to Kay, he barely made it to second on the hit.

276 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:26 pm

Ok since Jeter is an automatic GIDP, should we hope Joe sacrifices?

277 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:27 pm

ah, don't bunt!

double steal first, at least...

278 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:27 pm

[275]He held up until he saw it wasn't caught

279 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:27 pm

[273] as the great Dalton once said in Road House, "opinions vary."

280 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:28 pm

ok, that rules!

281 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:28 pm

Wow...lucky to unlucky to lucky in three seconds.

282 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:28 pm

Oh, this is going to be really sad, isn't it?

283 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:28 pm


284 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:29 pm

What the fuck was that?

285 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:29 pm


tie game.

286 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:29 pm

Yankees luck might be turning. The ball has been bouncing the other way all month.

287 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:29 pm

well if I do say so that was a horseshit base hit (which would've been a double play had there not been a wild pitch) but I'll fucking take it.

288 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:29 pm

Wow... did that hit TWO gloves?

289 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:30 pm

[268] If my wife saw that post, she would FORBID me from coming back here.

290 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:30 pm

Yankees really need it from Swish...two righties coming up next.

291 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:31 pm

[282] Yes, groundball from jeter = sad. very sad.

; )

292 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:31 pm

Alright Nick, in the air!

293 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:31 pm

Oh God.

294 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:31 pm

PLEASE Swish...
Oh Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It always comes down to ARod.

295 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:31 pm

ok if we don't squeeze I'm going to vomit on my laptop

296 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:32 pm

Swisher has really come up small in some recent big at bats. The Yankees really needed him to come through there.

297 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:32 pm

fuckity fuck.

how bout a freaking sac fly, or something...

298 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:32 pm


299 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:32 pm

[295] I am the Mr. Charmin of the Banter, but you can't squeeze with Thames because I doubt he can bunt.

300 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:32 pm

Hopefully the Yankees can pull this one out, and given the way they have tied it up it might---just might---cosmically balance yesterday's goofiness v. Mo.

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301 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:33 pm

[289] Ken why don't you look at what I was replying to? He said everyone at ESPN should kill themselves, I was limiting it to one.

Look, gee whiz, I think Jon Miller is a fucking blohard, I do NOT really want him to kill himself.

302 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:34 pm

[292] Alright Nick, in the air!

303 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:34 pm

I have a very bad feeling here.

304 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:36 pm

I would send Jeter and force the Rangers to defend v. Gardner.

305 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:36 pm

[299] well, ok, not Thames but pinch hit that Teix guy that just slinked into the dugout.

306 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:36 pm

[304] But... that would make sense!

307 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:36 pm


308 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:36 pm


309 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:37 pm

Thames! C'mon Alex, make it hurt.

310 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:37 pm

did washington just mouth: fuckin a ???

311 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:37 pm

Thames has been nothing short of incredible. Tomorrow, I am going to take a look at his WPA because it seems like has had a ton of big hits.

312 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:37 pm

Redemption for Mo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

313 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:37 pm

[311] I want him to be the Yankees righty pinch hitter for a long time.

314 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:38 pm

Or, maybe I would just not run and risk taking the bat out of Thames' hands.

315 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:39 pm

[306] Think ♞♜♝.

316 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:40 pm

mike maddux sporting his frank zappa beard.

317 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:41 pm

that was ball 4.

318 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:41 pm

oh, crap.

319 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:41 pm

Please give us some insurance Robbie.

320 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:41 pm

Right down the fucking middle! How did he miss that?

321 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:42 pm

Rangers have some bullpen, aside from Francisco of course.

322 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:42 pm

OK... a bit up in the zone.....

323 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:42 pm

wow, came back to see we got the lead!

Go Go Robbie, put them to sleep!!

324 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:42 pm

[320] It was 96 mph on the inside edge. Not many hitters put the bat on that.

325 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:44 pm

[324] Gameday had it down the middle, but at the very top of the zone. Still, a high heater is tough to get around on.

326 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:45 pm

[325] Looked up and in on Game Day to me.

327 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:45 pm

[324] Gamecast had that in the middle. But Yunnow, it's Gamecast...

328 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:46 pm


329 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:46 pm


alright. payback time for Mo!!!

330 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:46 pm

Crap...would feel so much better with a two run lead. Sometimes Mo has his "bad" games in twos.

331 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:47 pm

[326] I don't know, that Gameday graphic sure looked like middle third. In any case...

332 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:48 pm

[330] Yep, I know exactly what you mean. I'd have preferred a little less drama for the bottom of the ninth.

Let's go, Mo!

333 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:48 pm

Why should this be easy?

334 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:48 pm

yay, i get to watch Mo!!!! : )

335 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:48 pm

C'mon, three more outs...let's go!

336 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:49 pm

Watch the bunt here.

337 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:50 pm

I think that pitch was meant to do just that.

338 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:50 pm


339 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:50 pm

oh shit

340 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:50 pm

oh. my. fucking. god.

341 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:50 pm

Mo to Andrus:

Fastball, high and inside, almost hits him, ball one.

Misses his target, triple to right

342 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:50 pm

Well, that sucks.

343 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:50 pm


344 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:51 pm

Last thing this needs is for Mo to go through a little phase.

345 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:51 pm

That ball must have been as big as a grapefruit missing that much.

346 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:51 pm

This must be Mo's annual bad week in August

347 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:51 pm

[330] i blame you! (though not just yet...)


348 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:51 pm

And happy birthday Austin Kearns...man, do we ever need a strike out here.

349 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:51 pm

[344] He does it every year

350 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:51 pm

Breath... breath.... breath....

351 Raf   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:52 pm


352 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:52 pm

one. more. pin.

353 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:52 pm

yeah, MO!!!

1 more. thank you, please!

354 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:53 pm

Nervous, anyone? Problem with Vlad is that, even in a slump, he'll swing at anything.

355 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:53 pm

Vlad is a horrifying man

356 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:53 pm

Mo vs. Vlad.

great theater.

357 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:53 pm

Holy CRAP. Did you see that hop?

358 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:54 pm


359 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:54 pm

Mo's pitches are up.... scary.

360 Raf   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:54 pm

good gravy.. hell of a game

361 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:54 pm

This feels like one of the best wins of the year.

362 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:54 pm

Mariano Rivera is Go(o)d

363 thelarmis   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:54 pm

good play by a-rod there.

364 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:54 pm

Yayyyy! Huge win...

365 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:54 pm

I think this night calls for a special cocktail!

366 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:54 pm

How dare I doubt Mo!!

One thing I've noticed for the first time is Mo seems to be setting up outside cutters to righties by coming in on the previous pitch.

367 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:54 pm

[361] Oh yeah.

368 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:54 pm

Great effort. Great comeback.

369 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:55 pm


370 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:55 pm

One of the best wins for sure, and probably the most improbably, considering who started for Texas.

371 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:55 pm

And under 4 hours too!

372 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:56 pm

4 runs off Texas pen..well done, team!!

373 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:57 pm

Mitre, Wood & Rivera..an unlikely law firm but I'll take that case...to COURT!

374 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:57 pm

Interesting comment from Thames: He said he was going to look for a breaking ball off Ogando, but Arod told him to look for the heater.

Say what you want about Arod, but he really is one of the smartest, most involved players in the game.

375 monkeypants   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:57 pm

[371] Somewhere Joe West is smiling!

376 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:58 pm

Call time pushed back one hour, I get to sleep in knowing Mo has saved us all.
☾Good Night, All!☽

377 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:59 pm

Yes! Yes! Yes! Fuck YES!!!!!!

Could be the best win of the season.

That was one of the more exciting games I can remember. Pure, utter happiness - that's what was going on in this living room, as A Rod's throw sailed across the diamond and into Swisher's mitt.

I said to myself before the bottom of the 9th, "please, any which way, I don't care, just please somehow get through this."

Thanks be to MO.

378 Emma Span   ~  Aug 11, 2010 11:59 pm

Wow, this one's gonna be a bitch to recap. A fun bitch, though!

379 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 12, 2010 12:01 am

That Marcus Thames may just not be so bad. Not bad at all.

380 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 12, 2010 12:02 am

[378] Ride that bitch! This has got to be one joyous recap!

You could wait all season to get the opportunity to recap a game like this one.

381 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 12, 2010 12:02 am

[376] In the name of Mo we pray, AMEN!

382 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 12, 2010 12:03 am

[378] Oh, well those are the best type! >;)

383 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 12, 2010 12:06 am

[379] From his first pitch HR as a Yankee Rookie in 2002, and tonight, Marcus Thames is forever linked to Yankees lore. Just keep his left field defense time to a minimum.

384 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 12, 2010 12:07 am

Btw, as someone who finds overreaction and drama-queening exceedingly tiresome, I have to own up to possibly overreacting just a tad on Berkman.

That guy is starting to come around. His walk was an awesome at bat.

Also, this may have been mentioned (off to read the end of the thread, as I went banter free for the whole 9th), but Thames' monster shot scared the crap out of Francisco. It didn't pay off, but that guy didn't want to throw a strike after Thames crushed that one.

385 monkeypants   ~  Aug 12, 2010 12:09 am

A great game and great game thread: sarcasm, despair, joy, second guessing managers, second guessing general managers, running jokes, statistics. It was all there. It's why I love following the Banter while following the game.

386 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 12, 2010 12:13 am

[385] (Cyber group hug)

Now for some entertainment? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O21xtdoiJoM

387 monkeypants   ~  Aug 12, 2010 12:21 am

[385] Yeah. Well, to be honest, I've felt that many of the game threads have been less vigorous this season. A couple weeks ago, for reasons I don't recall, I found myself reading through a few old game threads back on the Toaster version of Bronx Banter: damn, those were intense: massive debates, lots of statistics, and some goddamn funny running commentary. And they were long, too.

A lot of the posters were the same. I don't know, maybe we've all mellowed, or run out of things to type, or gotten older and don't want to waste three hours every night online. Or maybe after the Yankees won the WS last season, all that built up frustration over Cashman or Torre or Cairo or Andy Phillips or David Ortiz or whatever finally deflated. Or maybe it's just my imagination.

In any case, tonight reminded me of a good, old fashioned Banter evening.

388 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 12, 2010 12:24 am

[203] A very belated thanks for acknowledging the rationality in my desperate desire to punch Sutcliffe in his stupid face.

[268] Evil, I loved the post. You have no idea how much glee I took from the mental image you created. I've hated Miller for a long time, but I wasn't certain he was irredeemably awful - last Sunday night, though? He was a horrifying embarrassment from pillar to post. Good for him that he has that great announcer's voice, but doing no work before a game and saying idiotic crap for nine innings is inexcusable.

[383] He is definitely a guy it feels good to root for.

In the words of George Costanza, "I'm bursting! I'm bursting!"

Man, am I happy right now.

389 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 12, 2010 12:30 am

[387] A bit of both, though I think winning last year is the main reason..my Red Sox buddy here told me he only starts watching towards the end of the season now. Before 2004 he was on fire for every game 1 to 162...

390 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 12, 2010 1:01 am

K-Rod been a bad boy again...poor Mets fans...

391 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 12, 2010 1:09 am

Fewer crossovers as well. Toaster was unique because it encompassed several baseball blogs on one site that constantly cross-referenced each other in the posts and the comments. Now we're grown up and have flown the coop, but as we all realize it's not so easy being a grown-up. But We've gotten used to it. Cliff's departure sure brings that to perspective, even as it is or the best of reasons to go, it's another change we have to accept and take time to adjust to.

I'll admit I was ready to fade out; I was beginning to think the comments were becoming too shrill and condescending, or maybe it was me. But there's a dedicated bunch here I've gotten used to reading every day and I couldn't let you guys down like that (even if that would mean zilch), so I'm here for better or for worse. I might have relayed a similar sentiment when I first signed in... meh, maybe one day someone will make me an offer I can't refuse either >;)

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